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    Re: Is Debate Politics a good and fair representation of society overall?

    Not at all. Way too right leaning, far too many conspiracy theorists/anti-government nuts.
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    Re: Is Debate Politics a good and fair representation of society overall?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    You're right it doesn't. But for some reason we have been on a downward slope since 1960 as far as voter participation goes. In 1960 63.1% of the population voted and it was in the 60's in both 1964 and 68. I don't have any figures before 1960 so I can't addressed those earlier years. We have been as low as 49.1% in 1996. 52.2% is the average from 1972 to present. In the 1960's, 60,64, and 68 the average was 62%.

    I wonder, if without the early voting would we be down to around 45%. I don't know. But I wonder if it is the trust factor. Back when I grew up in the 50's and 60's the majority of Americans trusted their government, today the majority of Americans distrust their government. About the time we had that 10 point drop in voter participation is when we crossed over from trust to distrust.
    I think it's apathy. But, why the apathy? Could be the trust, as you suggest. If so, and I think the connection could definitely be there, then people need to make the connection that they have the power to change the government and put trustworthy people back in it.

    The vicious circle frustrates me. "I don't vote because it doesn't do any good." Well, it doesn't do any good because you don't vote, then when/if you do you don't educate yourself and you keep re-electing the same untrustworthy people.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Is Debate Politics a good and fair representation of society overall?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I think it's apathy. But, why the apathy? Could be the trust, as you suggest. If so, and I think the connection could definitely be there, then people need to make the connection that they have the power to change the government and put trustworthy people back in it.

    The vicious circle frustrates me. "I don't vote because it doesn't do any good." Well, it doesn't do any good because you don't vote, then when/if you do you don't educate yourself and you keep re-electing the same untrustworthy people.
    My oldest daughter is like my son, she doesn't vote either. I also wonder if the apathy as you call it is our politicians now a days do not give us solutions to our problems or new ideas, they just throw mud at each other hoping some of it will stick. There are a lot of people who really do not see much differences between the two parties, as my son said, all talk and no action. Do I vote for devil A or devil B?

    Personally as long as our two major parties owe their heart and soul to corporations, special interests, lobbyists, wall street and billionaires who support them, perhaps they are right. It really doesn't make much of a difference. Only which corporation, special interest, wall street firm etc will be taken care of.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Is Debate Politics a good and fair representation of society overall?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Is Debate Politics a good and fair representation of society overall?
    I ****ing hope not!

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    Re: Is Debate Politics a good and fair representation of society overall?

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Pearls before swine and all that...
    Sorry,but you can't have them.

    I just look too fabulous in them to ever think about parting with them..
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    Re: Is Debate Politics a good and fair representation of society overall?

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Deprived of the ability to stop discussions by calling people racist, sexist, bigoted, homophobic, etc., left wingers are at a loss for how to proceed here.
    One of DP's single greatest weaknesses is this: To a great extent you are allowed to belittle women, people of color, LGBTs, etc. But the minute you call someone out for their racism, sexism, or homophobia, you receive swift and severe consequences.

    They seem to resent free speech from their political opponents quite a bit, so you get all sorts of false and irrational characterizations.

    Conservatives and libertarians have learned to keep quiet in certain groups else they get their cars keyed or their tires slashed.
    These kinds of persecution-complex comments that impede our ability to have rational discussions around here. Please cite for us, with references, a specific incident where one of us DP'ers who self-identifies as a liberal, socialist, or similar, caused physical harm to someone who self-identifies as a libertarian, conservative, or similar. HARSH COMMENTS DO NOT SATISFY THIS CRITERION. I am specifically asking for proof of instances of physical violence.
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    Re: Is Debate Politics a good and fair representation of society overall?

    I would have to say no. This private site's rule set is different than real life speech rules, so we are not getting a clear picture. In real life people say whatever they want to one another so you can find out what they really think/feel.

    Also... what kind of society are we talking about? People who log on here are from all over the world, not just the U.S.

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    Re: Is Debate Politics a good and fair representation of society overall?

    I dunno. Dey's commies everywhar here. I can't hardly stand it. Look under every thread here an you'll find you a commie lurkin with those little gray Mao hats and Che t-shirts screamin 'bout incum inegality or some such tripe. Reminds me of a spanked onion and sex wiv yer sister.

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    Re: Is Debate Politics a good and fair representation of society overall?

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    I would have to say no. This private site's rule set is different than real life speech rules, so we are not getting a clear picture. In real life people say whatever they want to one another so you can find out what they really think/feel.

    Also... what kind of society are we talking about? People who log on here are from all over the world, not just the U.S.

    Good call NL.


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    Re: Is Debate Politics a good and fair representation of society overall?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    One of DP's single greatest weaknesses is this: To a great extent you are allowed to belittle women, people of color, LGBTs, etc. But the minute you call someone out for their racism, sexism, or homophobia, you receive swift and severe consequences.
    Eh? Push-back for their name-calling? How sad. They're used to getting off scott free; I know it must be a shock.



    These kinds of persecution-complex comments that impede our ability to have rational discussions around here. Please cite for us, with references, a specific incident where one of us DP'ers who self-identifies as a liberal, socialist, or similar, caused physical harm to someone who self-identifies as a libertarian, conservative, or similar. HARSH COMMENTS DO NOT SATISFY THIS CRITERION. I am specifically asking for proof of instances of physical violence.
    The only reason our tires haven't been slashed, or some such, by the usual suspects is that they don't know where they are. Do we really have to go through a laundry list of acts of leftist violence against the political opponents of the left? The stuff that happens on university campuses alone would take quite a while to review. Conservatives hire body guards just to go speak at those places.

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