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    Re: Is Debate Politics a good and fair representation of society overall?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Unfortunately, I have to agree with you.

    My life experience is that most people on this planet are good people who would rather help other people than hurt them.

    But there is a sizable minority that doesn't think that way and they make a lot of problems for the good people.
    And I know the names of these people, Socialists, Communists, Nazis.

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    Re: Is Debate Politics a good and fair representation of society overall?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And I guess some people who pretend to be vegetarians grab a burger from time to time also.




    Which makes them not vegetarians.
    I can agree with that. Some libertarians on this site are not. Like Republicans they care more about winning than ideology.

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    Re: Is Debate Politics a good and fair representation of society overall?

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Deprived of the ability to stop discussions by calling people racist, sexist, bigoted, homophobic, etc., left wingers are at a loss for how to proceed here. They seem to resent free speech from their political opponents quite a bit, so you get all sorts of false and irrational characterizations.

    Conservatives and libertarians have learned to keep quiet in certain groups else they get their cars keyed or their tires slashed.
    How downright Orwellian of you.

    You support the suppression of free speech under the misapprehension you are somehow supporting it.
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    Re: Is Debate Politics a good and fair representation of society overall?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    The majority of average society does not care that deeply, and is seemingly perfectly fine with hiding their collective heads in the sand and willfully ignoring issues that affect them directly. They are fine with letting others make critical decisions for them.

    I believe that we here at DP are in the minority.
    If any of you are a lot like me you have probably noticed that political discussion makes people uncomfortable. Most people bore the snot out of me when they talk about tv shows, puppy dogs, gym memberships, some delicious food they ate recently, the latest celebrity's embarrassing moment or about that new store that is opening soon.

    I enjoy hostile debate much like my colleagues here at Debate Politics. That is why we are here. In real life it is nearly impossible to find someone to discuss these types of issues.

    Every point of view appears to be properly represented since we are so diverse in political views. The only opinion not represented is the majority opinion. The majority opinion is: "That's fine. It doesn't bother me one way or another." People with that opinion may not complain but they do vote.

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    Re: Is Debate Politics a good and fair representation of society overall?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Is Debate Politics a good and fair representation of society overall?

    Yes?
    No?

    I'm going to purposely leave out a "Maybe" option. For this question I think people should be able to make a choice one way or another.

    In some ways it would seem so. We have the whole gamut of ideologies, genders, orientations, ethnicities, and so on. But, I would say 'no' for the simple reason that the vast majority of people here are here because they care deeply about social and/or political issues. Deeply enough to actually discuss them. The majority of average society does not care that deeply, and is seemingly perfectly fine with hiding their collective heads in the sand and willfully ignoring issues that affect them directly. They are fine with letting others make critical decisions for them.

    I believe that we here at DP are in the minority.
    I would say you are exactly right. Most Americans pay little to no attention to politics or the daily grind in Washington. They are too busy making a living or watching reality TV or some ball game. We live in a society that only half of us vote in a presidential election, where we have made things of easy to vote with all this early voting and yet we can only get in the low 50's as a percentage. So half of the population of the U.S. doesn't give a hoot. Or they just decided as my son told me, "It doesn't matter who wins, Washington is going to do what it wants anyway." So he gave up on the process a long, long time ago.

    think about it, we had only 53.6% of the people vote in 2012, perhaps my son is right. Regardless of who wins, it will still be business as usual.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Is Debate Politics a good and fair representation of society overall?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    If any of you are a lot like me you have probably noticed that political discussion makes people uncomfortable. Most people bore the snot out of me when they talk about tv shows, puppy dogs, gym memberships, some delicious food they ate recently, the latest celebrity's embarrassing moment or about that new store that is opening soon.

    I enjoy hostile debate much like my colleagues here at Debate Politics. That is why we are here. In real life it is nearly impossible to find someone to discuss these types of issues.

    Every point of view appears to be properly represented since we are so diverse in political views. The only opinion not represented is the majority opinion. The majority opinion is: "That's fine. It doesn't bother me one way or another." People with that opinion may not complain but they do vote.
    I agree with every word of this, except 'hostile'.

    I would replace 'hostile' with 'honest'. Tell me what you really think and believe. I can respect that even if I disagree, Don't troll for your own amusement.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Is Debate Politics a good and fair representation of society overall?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I would say you are exactly right. Most Americans pay little to no attention to politics or the daily grind in Washington. They are too busy making a living or watching reality TV or some ball game. We live in a society that only half of us vote in a presidential election, where we have made things of easy to vote with all this early voting and yet we can only get in the low 50's as a percentage. So half of the population of the U.S. doesn't give a hoot. Or they just decided as my son told me, "It doesn't matter who wins, Washington is going to do what it wants anyway." So he gave up on the process a long, long time ago.

    think about it, we had only 53.6% of the people vote in 2012, perhaps my son is right. Regardless of who wins, it will still be business as usual.
    Yep. I have favorite shows. I like to watch ball games. I also am concerned about what our government does to me in my name. It doesn't have to be an "either/or" choice.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Is Debate Politics a good and fair representation of society overall?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    How downright Orwellian of you.

    You support the suppression of free speech under the misapprehension you are somehow supporting it.
    Pearls before swine and all that...

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    Re: Is Debate Politics a good and fair representation of society overall?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Yep. I have favorite shows. I like to watch ball games. I also am concerned about what our government does to me in my name. It doesn't have to be an "either/or" choice.
    You're right it doesn't. But for some reason we have been on a downward slope since 1960 as far as voter participation goes. In 1960 63.1% of the population voted and it was in the 60's in both 1964 and 68. I don't have any figures before 1960 so I can't addressed those earlier years. We have been as low as 49.1% in 1996. 52.2% is the average from 1972 to present. In the 1960's, 60,64, and 68 the average was 62%.

    I wonder, if without the early voting would we be down to around 45%. I don't know. But I wonder if it is the trust factor. Back when I grew up in the 50's and 60's the majority of Americans trusted their government, today the majority of Americans distrust their government. About the time we had that 10 point drop in voter participation is when we crossed over from trust to distrust.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Is Debate Politics a good and fair representation of society overall?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    I can agree with that. Some libertarians on this site are not. Like Republicans they care more about winning than ideology.
    Yes. Many here who pretend to be libertarians are merely anti-government types who find aid and comfort from conservatives and people on the right so they embrace the Republican party as the opponent of big government democrats. That is their belief. They believe they are co-opting the GOP and will eventually dominate the party from within but what actually is happening is that the GOP is using them and will discard them like toilet tissue that has served its purpose once used.

    The real money behind the GOP and the real structure that keeps it going will never embrace anything but corporate conservatism.
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