View Poll Results: Do you think the US Constitution is a holy, infallible document?

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  • Yes, the Constitution is political perfection and infallible. Worthy of worship.

    3 6.82%
  • No, it was created by men and while it's a good document, let's not get wrapped around the axle.

    35 79.55%
  • The Constitution sucks, we need a new one every few years.

    1 2.27%
  • The Constitution surpasses even politics and is THE document for all of society and civilization.

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    Re: Do you think the US Constitution is a holy, infallible document?

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post


    ****. I need to revisit my history books I guess.
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    Re: Do you think the US Constitution is a holy, infallible document?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Slavery, the Civil War, Jim Crow laws, and the South's response to the Civil Rights movement all prove how disastrous giving state governments too much freedom from the federal government can be. If you're gonna cite amendments, you'd better include the Fourteenth and Ninth as well as just the Second and the Tenth.
    it is constitutional law which has state government powers numerous and infinite, the federal government powers few and defined.....the federal government does not make the decision on state power

    the 14th, freed the slaves and says......government cannot discriminate, the 9th is where rights which are recognized by the USSC are placed, and the 10th, is very direct and specific, stating if a power is not delegated to the federal government by the Constitution ........is it a state power.


    federalsit 45--The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government, are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected.

    The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.
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    Re: Do you think the US Constitution is a holy, infallible document?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    it is constitutional law which has state government powers numerous and infinite, the federal government powers few and defined.....the federal government does not make the decision on state power

    the 14th, freed the slaves and says......government cannot discriminate, the 9th is where rights which are recognized by the USSC are placed, and the 10th, is very direct and specific, stating if a power is not delegated to the federal government by the Constitution ........is it a state power.


    federalsit 45--The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government, are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected.

    The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.
    Dude I can hardly even read this.
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    Re: Do you think the US Constitution is a holy, infallible document?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Dude I can hardly even read this.

    you cannot read that :

    ---------->state government powers numerous and infinite.

    ----------> federal government powers few and defined

    the 14th freed the slave population, and made it illegal for government to discriminate.

    the 9th amendment is where rights recognized by USSC are placed.......IE......[right to vote]

    10th--all powers not delegated to the federal government by the constitution are state powers.

    state powers concern the concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people..........not federal powers.

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    Re: Do you think the US Constitution is a holy, infallible document?

    anonymous polls suck



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    Re: Do you think the US Constitution is a holy, infallible document?

    yes, simple because we couldn't do a better job today.

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    Re: Do you think the US Constitution is a holy, infallible document?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    MY religion uniquely has a passage of canonized scripture which explicitly states that God inspired the Constitution to be written and established, through men that he raised up specifically for this purpose.

    To me, the Constitution itself is scripture; perhaps not directly the word of God, but very close to it.

    And there is something I have been thinking about, that I find troubling.

    Another volume of my religion's scripture gives account of two groups of people, who, at different times in history, were guided by God to travel across the ocean, from the Old World to somewhere in the Americas, where they thrived for a while, formed great civilizations, and then fell into wickedness and were wiped out. I see our own society on a similar path today. At one point, we had the greatest civilization that the world has ever known, but we have been in decline for at least two or three generations, and are slowly falling into wickedness and destruction. I'm old enough that I will probably not live to see the end of our society, but I have little doubt that unless we change course drastically, that there are those alive today who will see this end.


    The silliness of Mormonism aside how the hell can anyone seriously say the Constitution is the word of God?

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    Re: Do you think the US Constitution is a holy, infallible document?

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Some people (especially here) seem to think the US constitution is the end-all and be-all of political thought, and should be adhered to like a holy document. Do you agree? Or is it possible for it to be fallible and, in fact, wrong? Should we follow it as a means to an end, or is following the constitution the highest political end possible?
    To answer your two-part question in your thread title"

    1. I don't have a religious bone in my body, so I don't think ANYTHING is holy.

    2. Nothing made by man is infallible.

    Now...having said that, I think the Constitution is the best any country has come up with to date. I have to qualify that by saying I'm not any kind of a scholar so I don't know everything there is to know about every country's constitution. We MUST follow our Constitution because it is the supreme law of our land...politics plays no part in deciding whether to follow it or not.

    I have no problem changing the Constitution...if done through the process described in the Constitution...but I won't necessarily support any particular proposed change.
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    Re: Do you think the US Constitution is a holy, infallible document?

    No. Not even close.
    Does this mean IMO we should get rid of it? No not even close. I think its a broad, living document that should be open to different interpretations and be amended and added on.


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    Re: Do you think the US Constitution is a holy, infallible document?

    I do believe the Constitution should be strictly adhered to. It is the legal framework that outlines what the duties and powers are of our federal government, how those powers are divided, and what limitations are imposed upon those freedoms. If we ignore or constantly "re-interpret" that framework, then we are left with few if any meaningful limits on government power.

    That said, the document was certainly not perfect at any point. The original version accepted the existence of slavery, gave voting rights to a very limited portion of the population, counted slaves as 2/3 of a person, and had numerous other flaws. That's why the Founding Fathers wisely included the amendment process.
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