View Poll Results: Do you think the US Constitution is a holy, infallible document?

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  • Yes, the Constitution is political perfection and infallible. Worthy of worship.

    3 6.82%
  • No, it was created by men and while it's a good document, let's not get wrapped around the axle.

    35 79.55%
  • The Constitution sucks, we need a new one every few years.

    1 2.27%
  • The Constitution surpasses even politics and is THE document for all of society and civilization.

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    Re: Do you think the US Constitution is a holy, infallible document?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    sure........Adams states ......the u.s. government is not religious, but not the union or its people.
    US gov't not religious? Agreed. Have Americans in general been religious? Of course. But what do you mean by "union"?
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    Re: Do you think the US Constitution is a holy, infallible document?

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Do you have any idea what religion he is referring too when he says "a passage of canonized scripture which explicitly states that God inspired the Constitution to be written and established, through men that he raised up specifically for this purpose"?
    Probably Christianity as he personally interprets it.
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    Re: Do you think the US Constitution is a holy, infallible document?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    US gov't not religious? Agreed. Have Americans in general been religious? Of course. But what do you mean by "union"?
    the u.s. is a union of 50 states....we practice federalism... a separation of powers.

    our government is federal.... not national.


    We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

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    Re: Do you think the US Constitution is a holy, infallible document?

    Since it's been amended so many times, how infallible could it be?

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    Re: Do you think the US Constitution is a holy, infallible document?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Probably Christianity as he personally interprets it.
    If you are right, that might just be the biggest stretch I've seen to date
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    Re: Do you think the US Constitution is a holy, infallible document?

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Some people (especially here) seem to think the US constitution is the end-all and be-all of political thought, and should be adhered to like a holy document. Do you agree? Or is it possible for it to be fallible and, in fact, wrong? Should we follow it as a means to an end, or is following the constitution the highest political end possible?
    If it was perfect then it wouldn't have an amendment process in it. Should the Constitution be followed? Hellz to the yes. If you don't agree with a part of it then follow the procedures to get it changed just like any other law on the books. Otherwise, our government had damn well better follow it.
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    Re: Do you think the US Constitution is a holy, infallible document?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the u.s. is a union of 50 states....we practice federalism... a separation of powers.

    our government is federal.... not national.


    We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
    OK now you're talking about the constitution (lower-case) of the governments, not its supposedly religious basis.
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    Re: Do you think the US Constitution is a holy, infallible document?

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Some people (especially here) seem to think the US constitution is the end-all and be-all of political thought, and should be adhered to like a holy document. Do you agree? Or is it possible for it to be fallible and, in fact, wrong? Should we follow it as a means to an end, or is following the constitution the highest political end possible?
    In the hierarchy of laws the constitution is the supreme law of the land in the US.So until it is amended it should be strictly adhered to.
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    Re: Do you think the US Constitution is a holy, infallible document?

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    If you are right, that might just be the biggest stretch I've seen to date
    wait what did I miss?
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    Re: Do you think the US Constitution is a holy, infallible document?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    wait what did I miss?
    I asked you what religion Bob Baylock (?) could be referring to when he said:
    "MY religion uniquely has a passage of canonized scripture which explicitly states that God inspired the Constitution to be written and established, through men that he raised up specifically for this purpose.

    To me, the Constitution itself is scripture; perhaps not directly the word of God, but very close to it."

    You responded with something about thinking it was Christianity.

    So I, in turn, said "If you are right, that might just be the biggest stretch I've seen to date". Meaning, WTF, is he referring to because I can't think of anything in the Old or New Testament that could be understood in this way.
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