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Thread: California's "may issue" rule ruled unconstitutional

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    Re: California's "may issue" rule ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Well the Second Amendment is the national law when it comes to citizens bearing arms.

    I don't see where the Tenth Amendment comes into play. When states start regulating guns, they are violating the Second Amendment.

    Every state, county and municipal law or regulation that violates the Second Amendment should be overturned and declared unconstitutional.

    It's time to start holding elected officials, legislatures, etc. to the oath they have taken to upholding and defending the Constitution. Any elected official who has voted for any law that violates the Second Amendment or any other part of the Constitution should be tried and convicted and sentenced to six years of hard labor. Bring back the chain gangs for convicted politicians who violate Americans Constitutional Rights.

    That would put over 2/3 of California's state legislatures on the chain gang. I like that.
    BWUAHAHAHAHAHa...

    That is about the stupidest thing I have ever heard of...... And a violation of the 8th Amendment.
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    Re: California's "may issue" rule ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Not nearly enough. Twenty years, minimum, for each violation. Consecutive, not concurrent. And a lifetime ban on holding any government job or position. For a public servant to willfully violate the Constitution needs to be treated as a very, very serious crime.
    Another violation of the 8th Amendment.....
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: California's "may issue" rule ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Hey Bob

    I concur.

    I wasn't joking or trying to be funny, I'm serious.

    Every elected politician from a city council member or water board member, County commissioner, Sheriff, to the state legislature and the Governor, etc. all take an oath of office and that oath states they will uphold and defend just not the state constitution but the Constitution of the United States of America.

    And there are just too many elected politicians in America who have failed to uphold the oath of office they have taken and don't have to answer to anyone. They can't even be sued as individuals.

    You start sending these politicians or anyone who has taken the oath to uphold and defend the Constitution who violated the oath of office to prison, we might start getting back all of the personal rights and freedoms we use to have at one time.

    Six years is pretty lenient, but I was including hard labor. Bring back the chain gangs. 12 hours a day turning boulders into gravel. Those who physically can't swing a sledgehammer, then 20 years in with the general prison population.

    I'm serious. I've had enough of having my rights taken away. I'm old enough to remember the individual freedoms I once had and no longer have today.

    Every activist judge in America who legislates from the bench should be purged from the bench. Including those on the SCOTUS. Send them to prison to.
    I'm serious, too. Hard labor or not, I do not think that willful violations the Constitution by a public servant who has taken an oath specifically to uphold and defend the Constitution is something that should draw less than a twenty-year prison sentence per violation. I do not want those kind of criminals back out in only six years.
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    Re: California's "may issue" rule ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    I'm serious, too. Hard labor or not, I do not think that willful violations the Constitution by a public servant who has taken an oath specifically to uphold and defend the Constitution is something that should draw less than a twenty-year prison sentence per violation. I do not want those kind of criminals back out in only six years.
    I'm sure you'd be very supportive of such an idea right up until a theocratic politician you supported was thrown in prison for violating the 1st.

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    Re: California's "may issue" rule ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    BWUAHAHAHAHAHa...

    That is about the stupidest thing I have ever heard of...... And a violation of the 8th Amendment.
    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Another violation of the 8th Amendment.....
    I do not see where the Eighth Amendment comes into play, here.

    What we are talking about is serious prison time for what ought to be treated as a very serious crime. Certainly, the crime committed by a public servant, who, having taken an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution, willfully violates that oath, violates the Constitution, and violates the rights of the very people that he is supposed to be serving, is a serious enough crime to call for at least as serious a penalty as what I or APACHERAT have been advocating for such criminals.
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    Re: California's "may issue" rule ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    I'm sure you'd be very supportive of such an idea right up until a theocratic politician you supported was thrown in prison for violating the 1st.
    What “theocratic politicians” who violate the First Amendment do you think I support?
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    Re: California's "may issue" rule ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Which is why there should be a National law, another failing of the 10th amendment.
    Expanding a stupid idea to national scope is really not a good idea.

    Which rights and who is to determine them ?
    This particular right is spelled out in the constitution.

    With the anything goes gun-posters on dp, I'll take my chances with any form of gov't .
    Would you like that position applied to rights that you actually care about? Whatever argument you use to justify violating the compelling state interest standard can easily be turned back on you.

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    Re: California's "may issue" rule ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    What “theocratic politicians” who violate the First Amendment do you think I support?
    While I don't have a list of exhaustive politicians whom you support, you have clearly articulated views that are contrary to the first. I remember the thread in which you make a laughable argument about how the 1st amendment doesn't apply to the states, only to congress.

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    Re: California's "may issue" rule ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    While I don't have a list of exhaustive politicians whom you support, you have clearly articulated views that are contrary to the first. I remember the thread in which you make a laughable argument about how the 1st amendment doesn't apply to the states, only to congress.
    You mean because it begins with the words, “Congress shall make no law…”? It's “laughable” to claim that the Constitution means exactly what it says?

    In any event, I have never claimed that this remains true. I fully-acknowledge the modifying effect of the Fourteenth Amendment, which now requires states to uphold the same rights which, as originally-written, the First Amendment only restrained the federal government from violating.
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    Re: California's "may issue" rule ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Expanding a stupid idea to national scope is really not a good idea.
    Unless the stupid idea is one you agree with.
    This particular right is spelled out in the constitution.
    Which particular right would you be talking about, since there are many rigthts?
    Would you like that position applied to rights that you actually care about?
    YES
    Whatever argument you use to justify violating the compelling state interest standard can easily be turned back on you.
    Whay was the compelling state interest standard again ?
    And turning things back on me meaqns we're back to square one, a familiar position with anytthing goes gun-posters .
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