View Poll Results: can we drone US citizens abroad?

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    9 52.94%
  • yes. if we can't go after a US citizen who has participated in killing any other way

    4 23.53%
  • no - he must be captured or killed by host governments only

    3 17.65%
  • yes. he is a danger just being able to roam

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    Can the US drone it's citizens abroad?

    Pakistan has refused US military action on its soil, and the domestic security forces have been unable to go after him thus far. And Obama's new policy says American suspected terrorists overseas can only be killed by the military, not the CIA, creating a policy conundrum for the White House

    Two US officials described the man as an al Qaeda facilitator who has been directly responsible for deadly attacks against US citizens overseas and who continues to plan attacks against them that would use improvised explosive devices.

    lethal force must only be used "to prevent or stop attacks against US persons, and even then, only when capture is not feasible and no other reasonable alternatives exist to address the threat effectively." The target must also pose 'a continuing, imminent threat to U.S. persons' the legal definition of catching someone in the act of plotting a lethal attack
    US mulls another army action in Pakistan - PakTribune

    my problem is the elasticity of "imminent threat" - this would have to be a real threat i.e., "exigent circumstances"
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    Re: Can the US drone it's citizens abroad?

    should have added a "no", feel free to amend any response - private poll, no close date.

    I voted exigent and MISSPELLED IT..lol sorry

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    Re: Can the US drone it's citizens abroad?

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    US mulls another army action in Pakistan - PakTribune

    my problem is the elasticity of "imminent threat" - this would have to be a real threat i.e., "exigent circumstances"
    Where the danger is not clear and present, you would certainly not want to allow the Executive to kill citizens. No matter what.
    How clear and how present the danger must be, is something that does need discussing.

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    Re: Can the US drone it's citizens abroad?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Where the danger is not clear and present, you would certainly not want to allow the Executive to kill citizens. No matter what.
    How clear and how present the danger must be, is something that does need discussing.
    this was a crappy thread (poll) a lot to this issue -i'm going to post in Gen'l Politics, as it's in a couple of different areas of interest ( law/war/politics/national security)

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    Re: Can the US drone it's citizens abroad?

    It's certainly not ideal to kill anyone that's not about to eat a bag of toddlers, but if we make hard rules like this for ourselves, the only guarantee is our opposition will use it to their advantage.

    Should we hold fire if we spot a legitimate target that's holding a "I have a U.S. citizen with me" sign, out of an abundance of caution?

    Or is there no such thing as a legitimate target?

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    Re: Can the US drone it's citizens abroad?

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/genera...post1062912212

    started a more discussion based thread here, if you'd like, as the poll is flawed

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    Re: Can the US drone it's citizens abroad?

    Using a drone is not something you use for "immediate response". You use drones for surveilance and to attack a location that has a suspected terrorist cell. Not to mention if used in a location where an immediate threat is you are more than likely going to hit innocent civilians also as most terrorists attack public places. So no, for emergency situations I do not condone any drone attack on American Citizens or non-Americans.

    For any other situation. I still don't condone it. American citizens have a Constitutional Right to due process no matter where they are at. Enemy Combatant or not.
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    Re: Can the US drone it's citizens abroad?

    What I would like to see is a process whereby the people who are in league with al Qaeda are stripped of their citizenship.

    So much is made of his notion "U.S. citizen" without any thought as to what citizenship entails. This thing is obviously not a citizen in any possible way other than technically so. It's very purpose is to act AGAINST citizens.
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    Re: Can the US drone it's citizens abroad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    What I would like to see is a process whereby the people who are in league with al Qaeda are stripped of their citizenship.

    So much is made of his notion "U.S. citizen" without any thought as to what citizenship entails. This thing is obviously not a citizen in any possible way other than technically so. It's very purpose is to act AGAINST citizens.
    a good idea. it would take a legal action to do this, then it allows at least some oversight; knowing he then could be easily targeted once the legal remedy was in place.

    We don't even know whom we are talking about here . This is executive action, not capturing for a trial.

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    Re: Can the US drone it's citizens abroad?

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    US mulls another army action in Pakistan - PakTribune

    my problem is the elasticity of "imminent threat" - this would have to be a real threat i.e., "exigent circumstances"
    When a US citizen joins a foreign or sufficiently organized domestic military organization and takes up arms against the United States he can be killed just as much as his non-US comrades could be.

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