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  • extingent circumstances - where immediate response in necessary

    9 52.94%
  • yes. if we can't go after a US citizen who has participated in killing any other way

    4 23.53%
  • no - he must be captured or killed by host governments only

    3 17.65%
  • yes. he is a danger just being able to roam

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    Re: Can the US drone it's citizens abroad?

    This is crap.

    Who decides what is 'a continuing, imminent threat to U.S. persons''?

    Some secret committee? The POTUS? Does the public ever see this 'proof'?

    What is to stop the POTUS from killing anyone he wants...using the above criteria as justification?

    This is a pathetic misuse of power.

    Plus, bombing another country is a technical 'act of war'


    Anyone that does not find this deeply concerning is staggeringly naive and/or ignorant.


    And I will not waste my time debating with those who disagree, because there is no need...

    ...for (on this particular subject, if you disagree with me) I AM right and you ARE wrong.

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    Re: Can the US drone it's citizens abroad?

    Well of course we can.

    Whether it is right or not is a different question.
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    Re: Can the US drone it's citizens abroad?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    ...for (on this particular subject, if you disagree with me) I AM right and you ARE wrong.

    Full stop.
    Actually no you are not. Full stop.
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    Re: Can the US drone it's citizens abroad?

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    this was a crappy thread (poll) a lot to this issue -i'm going to post in Gen'l Politics, as it's in a couple of different areas of interest ( law/war/politics/national security)
    I don't think it was in any way crappie. It's a pretty important topic and needs discussing.

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    Re: Can the US drone it's citizens abroad?

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    US mulls another army action in Pakistan - PakTribune

    my problem is the elasticity of "imminent threat" - this would have to be a real threat i.e., "exigent circumstances"
    I say no.Thats mainly due to the fact we are not at war with Pakistan so we have no business sending drones into that country. If this individual was in a country we are at war with and that individual was attacking our troops then sure bomb his ass.
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    Re: Can the US drone it's citizens abroad?

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    US mulls another army action in Pakistan - PakTribune

    my problem is the elasticity of "imminent threat" - this would have to be a real threat i.e., "exigent circumstances"
    There's nothing in the Constitution that says an American citizen absolutely can't become a military target.

    Truth be told, the notion is awkward and doesn't make sense, like having an absolute right to free speech no matter how much it imposes on privacy, property, or public safety.

    What is to stop the POTUS from killing anyone he wants...using the above criteria as justification?
    Fair enough, but what's to stop al-Qaeda from filling out every cell in their network with a soldier who happens to be a U.S. citizen, as a protective shield against assault?

    If killing an enemy combatant who happens to be a U.S. citizen is execution, then most of the countries in the Middle East have a bone to pick with us over extra-judicially killing their citizens.

    In the War on Terror, being a terrorist supersedes most of your rights as a citizen. The only way to get them back is to lay down your arms and surrender.
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    Re: Can the US drone it's citizens abroad?

    Anyone who is a threat to the lives of American citizens can be killed. Now it's a lot easier to capture U.S. citizens in this country because of a number of factors and that's how we'd prefer to do it. However in a foreign country it's more difficult, doubly so when that country is not cooperating. If we must kill them then so bit it.
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    Re: Can the US drone it's citizens abroad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    There's nothing in the Constitution that says an American citizen absolutely can't become a military target.

    Truth be told, the notion is awkward and doesn't make sense, like having an absolute right to free speech no matter how much it imposes on privacy, property, or public safety.



    Fair enough, but what's to stop al-Qaeda from filling out every cell in their network with a soldier who happens to be a U.S. citizen, as a protective shield against assault?

    If killing an enemy combatant who happens to be a U.S. citizen is execution, then most of the countries in the Middle East have a bone to pick with us over extra-judicially killing their citizens.

    In the War on Terror, being a terrorist supersedes most of your rights as a citizen. The only way to get them back is to lay down your arms and surrender.
    I'm fine with exigent circumstances.
    Some of the problem are the CIA running the drone program, as it's an act of war to hit foreign countries without their permission.
    Why the Pentagon should do this, and why the Pentagon should do it openly - put a "kill notice" ( which we do use) as a military target/ classified, but not clandestine.

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    Re: Can the US drone it's citizens abroad?

    They probably can. I don't know if they should, but they probably can.

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    Re: Can the US drone it's citizens abroad?

    The US drone program begun by Bush and placed on steroids by Obama is and has been wretched. The US will pay for these crimes against humanity. Killing innocent people, in the name of protecting innocent people



    (CNN) -- U.S. drone strikes in Pakistan have killed far more people than the United States has acknowledged, have traumatized innocent residents and largely been ineffective, according to a new study released Tuesday.
    The study by Stanford Law School and New York University's School of Law calls for a re-evaluation of the practice, saying the number of "high-level" targets killed as a percentage of total casualties is extremely low -- about 2%.


    http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/25/world/...drone-strikes/
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