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    Re: 5 Ways Rich People's "Entitlements" Cheat You and Me

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    If you write it larger it's obviously more important and true, right?
    That was my assumption so I went with it.
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    Re: 5 Ways Rich People's "Entitlements" Cheat You and Me

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    You should follow up on that. Must be a reward for his capture with him breaking all those laws and stealing from kids.
    There really isn't much to follow up on Dave. Paul Buchheit, like many radical teachers who unfortunately populate our nations Colleges and Universities, prays on the gullible who think they are being given some important information. At $30,000+ per year to attend, how many years will his students be paying for the worthless bile he passes off as higher education?

    Paul is nothing more than a piece in the chain that continues to harm the next generation. It's a shame, but hey, congrats to him for finding a way to hide his fleecing of students and their parents.

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    Re: 5 Ways Rich People's "Entitlements" Cheat You and Me

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Rich people do not cheat anyone as a group, nor do most cheat any one individually. And some of your examples are really stupid, like the one about estate taxes. Rich people are more likely to pay an estate tax than any one else...

    Also, please warn before linking to World News Daily. Some of us do not like giving the nuts there a page view. Getting "information" from there is a really bad plan by the way.
    I wasn't aware that you've been voted the official voice and expert on the rich.

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    Re: 5 Ways Rich People's "Entitlements" Cheat You and Me

    Interesting article by someone who feels entitled to read your gmail.

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    Re: 5 Ways Rich People's "Entitlements" Cheat You and Me

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    5 Ways Rich People's "Entitlements" Cheat You and Me
    http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle37608.htm

    "By Paul Buchheit
    February 10, 2014 "Information Clearing House - "Alternet" - The word 'entitlement' is ambiguous. For working people it means "earned benefits." For the rich, the concept of entitlement is compatible with the Merriam-Webster definition: "The feeling or belief that you deserve to be given something (such as special privileges)." Recent studies agree, concluding that higher social class is associated with increased entitlement and narcissism."

    "1. Income: Mocking Our 'Progressive' Tax System
    2. Wealth: Trillions in Financial Gains, Zero Tax
    3. Financial Transactions: Trillions in Speculative Purchases, Zero Tax
    4. Subsidies: Alms for the Rich

    "Cheated

    There's more. A regressive payroll tax, an almost nonexistent estate tax, the lower capital gains rate on carried interest for investment managers, trillions socked away in tax havens -- all involve tax avoidance by wealthy Americans who feel entitled to their privileged positions.

    Entitlements for the rich mean cuts in safety net programs for children, women, retirees, and low-income families. They threaten Social Security. They redirect money from infrastructure repair, education, and job creation.

    And the more the super-rich take from us, the greater their belief that they're entitled to the wealth we all helped to create."

    This is a view of entitlements of the rich, not the average retired or disabled or poor.

    Entitlement seems to be a paradigm that can't be rectified by optics.

    In truth, the taxpayer provided infrastructure does enable the wealthy.


    Poll questions because I have lost the access to post them

    Why are these "entitlements" not a part of our National dialogue?

    Options:

    Political pressure from the wealthy.

    Ignorance of the non-wealthy.

    It's simply not true.

    Other.
    LOL!!!

    Got to love this...entitlement means something different for the rich than it does for anyone else, and for the rich, we'll use the dictionary definition that makes them look bad. For anyone else, we'll make up a definition that makes them look good.

    That right there just about makes this whole article a waste of time for the writer and for anyone who reads it...not to mention the OP for starting a thread about it.
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    Re: 5 Ways Rich People's "Entitlements" Cheat You and Me

    Quote Originally Posted by serato View Post
    I wasn't aware that you've been voted the official voice and expert on the rich.
    At least as much as the guy in the OP is. Probably moreso.
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    Re: 5 Ways Rich People's "Entitlements" Cheat You and Me

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    5 Ways Rich People's "Entitlements" Cheat You and Me
    http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle37608.htm

    "By Paul Buchheit
    February 10, 2014 "Information Clearing House - "Alternet" - The word 'entitlement' is ambiguous. For working people it means "earned benefits." For the rich, the concept of entitlement is compatible with the Merriam-Webster definition: "The feeling or belief that you deserve to be given something (such as special privileges)." Recent studies agree, concluding that higher social class is associated with increased entitlement and narcissism."

    "1. Income: Mocking Our 'Progressive' Tax System
    2. Wealth: Trillions in Financial Gains, Zero Tax
    3. Financial Transactions: Trillions in Speculative Purchases, Zero Tax
    4. Subsidies: Alms for the Rich

    "Cheated

    There's more. A regressive payroll tax, an almost nonexistent estate tax, the lower capital gains rate on carried interest for investment managers, trillions socked away in tax havens -- all involve tax avoidance by wealthy Americans who feel entitled to their privileged positions.

    Entitlements for the rich mean cuts in safety net programs for children, women, retirees, and low-income families. They threaten Social Security. They redirect money from infrastructure repair, education, and job creation.

    And the more the super-rich take from us, the greater their belief that they're entitled to the wealth we all helped to create."

    This is a view of entitlements of the rich, not the average retired or disabled or poor.

    Entitlement seems to be a paradigm that can't be rectified by optics.

    In truth, the taxpayer provided infrastructure does enable the wealthy.


    Poll questions because I have lost the access to post them

    Why are these "entitlements" not a part of our National dialogue?

    Options:

    Political pressure from the wealthy.

    Ignorance of the non-wealthy.

    It's simply not true.

    Other.
    They are painting Social Security based on what they want to hear rather than on facts. Alternet sees Social Security as cash for its agenda, regardless of the history of the program.

    Facts : Social Security is one of the most progressive systems of any government programs. The high-wage earner collects as little as 1/5th what a low wage worker collects on a per dollar contributed basis. That is before means-tests are applied to the high-wage earner, and the tax credits given to low-wage workers to offset the 'high cost of Social Security'. Calling Social Security regressive is simply laughable.

    Social Security is not part of a 'safety-net'. There are more than 2200 rules in the system, and not one of the pays a penny of benefit based on need. Millions are even eligible and no amount of need changes that.
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    Re: 5 Ways Rich People's "Entitlements" Cheat You and Me

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Our tax code is a mess. I doubt too many people would argue that it isn't. It's been used as social engineering, fixing the economy, buying votes, and a host of other things for which it is a poor substitute for real change.

    To say, "Entitlements for working people are earned benefits" is an oxymoron. The tax code is the tax code. Blame Congress. Entitlements are something else . . . for which you can also blame Congress.

    Estate tax? Why should there even be a tax on my money when I die? Why?? I've paid tax on every dollar I have* . . . why should those net leftovers be subject to a confiscatory estate tax at all??

    *Or certainly treated them the way the tax code says they must be treated.
    Because you had the gall to die, I mean how dare you die and not pay the government for the privilege.

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    Re: 5 Ways Rich People's "Entitlements" Cheat You and Me

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    [FONT=Times New Roman]5 Ways Rich People's "Entitlements" Cheat You and Me
    5 Ways Rich People's "Entitlements" Cheat You and Me

    By Paul BuchheitFebruary 10, 2014 "Alternet" -The word 'entitlement' is ambiguous. For working people it means "earned benefits." For the rich, the concept of entitlement is compatible with the Merriam-Webster definition: "The feeling or belief that you deserve to be given something (such as special privileges)." Recent studies agree, concluding that higher social class is associated with increased entitlement and narcissism."

    "1. Income: Mocking Our 'Progressive' Tax System
    2. Wealth: Trillions in Financial Gains, Zero Tax
    3. Financial Transactions: Trillions in Speculative Purchases, Zero Tax
    4. Subsidies: Alms for the Rich

    "Cheated

    [/B] There's more. A regressive payroll tax, an almost nonexistent estate tax, the lower capital gains rate on carried interest for investment managers, trillions socked away in tax havens -- all involve tax avoidance by wealthy Americans who feel entitled to their privileged positions.

    Entitlements for the rich mean cuts in safety net programs for children, women, retirees, and low-income families. They threaten Social Security. They redirect money from infrastructure repair, education, and job creation.

    And the more the super-rich take from us, the greater their belief that they're entitled to the wealth we all helped to create."

    This is a view of entitlements of the rich, not the average retired or disabled or poor.

    Entitlement seems to be a paradigm that can't be rectified by optics.

    In truth, the taxpayer provided infrastructure does enable the wealthy.

    Poll questions because I have lost the access to post them

    Why are these "entitlements" not a part of our National dialogue?

    Options:

    Political pressure from the wealthy.

    Ignorance of the non-wealthy.

    It's simply not true.

    Other.
    How dare those rich people not want to pay taxes on money that already had taxes paid on them and how dare they suggest that people should pay close to the same percentage.Oh the humanity.Oh and damn those E-VILE rich people for taken advantage of tax breaks that many people take advantage of.How dare they want to keep most of the money they earned.What the **** country do they think this is??America??
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: 5 Ways Rich People's "Entitlements" Cheat You and Me

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    How dare those rich people not want to pay taxes on money that already had taxes paid on them and how dare they suggest that people should pay close to the same percentage.Oh the humanity.Oh and damn those E-VILE rich people for taken advantage of tax breaks that many people take advantage of.How dare they want to keep most of the money they earned.What the **** country do they think this is??America??
    How dare they? Nuke power subsidies. Energy subsidies, Bank subsidies.

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    "Assume that you ran a business that was found guilty of bribery, forgery, perjury, defrauding homeowners, fleecing investors, swindling consumers, cheating credit card holders, violating U.S. trade laws and bilking American soldiers. Can you even imagine the kind of punishment you'd get?
    How about zero? Nada. Nothing. Zilch. No jail time. Not even a fine. Plus, you still get to stay on as boss, you get to keep all the loot you gained from the crime spree, and you even get an $8.5 million pay raise!
    Of course, you and I would never get such outrageous, absurd, kid-glove pampering by legal authorities. But, then, we're not the capo of JPMorgan Chase, America's biggest bank and a crime syndicate that apparently is too big to jail.
    Jamie Dimon is the slick, vainglorious, silver-haired boss of the JPMorgan house of banksters. This CEO has fostered a culture of thievery during his years as a top executive at JPMorgan, leading to a shameful litany of crime. Yet, federal prosecutors have bowed to the politically connected Wall Streeter, refusing to ruffle his feathers with even a single criminal charge.
    Meanwhile, one of the scams that Dimon directly supervised produced a $6 billion loss for shareholders in 2012. And his reign of mismanagement and illegalities cost the bank's shareholders another $20 billion in federal fines last year, resulting in a 16 percent drop in profits. You might think the bank's board of directors would at least slap Jamie's wrist for the loss of those billions of dollars, but no — in January, they rewarded him, raising his pay by some 70 percent to a sweet $20 million!
    The New York Times noted that, "To ordinary Americans," such a reward for poor performance "may seem curious." Curious? Uh-uh.
    Try incomprehensible, insane and immoral. Wall Street's haughty elites continue to demonstrate that they're common mobsters — only not so ethical.
    That's the funny thing about Wall Street mobsters (or as I like to call them: Banksters) is that they make a killing by defrauding millions of homeowners, customers, investors and taxpayers — then, when caught, they wonder why we don't love them.
    That's "funny" as in "bizarre," not as in "ha-ha."
    You would think that after racking up a record level of regulatory fines for the recidivist criminal operation overseen by the boss, a little self-reproachment might have done Dimon some good. But he chose a funny way (again meaning bizarre) to express remorse: He's been running a feel-sorry-for-me campaign, claiming that he's the victim of this sordid story!
    Never mind his long rap sheet of malfeasance and incompetence, which cost so many so much, Jamie wails that everything from Wall Street's bailout to the pay of top bank executives have made people envious of bankers' success. Thus, he moans, an anti-Wall Street sentiment has spread through the public, prompting politicians and regulators to pander to this populist anger by persecuting enterprising bankers like him. He called the whole thing "unfair."
    Good grief. This guy builds bank profits through rip-offs, piles billions of dollars in fines on the backs of shareholders, pockets $20 million in personal pay for one year's work — and he wants us to weep for him? Being a Wall Street boss, you see, means never having to say you're sorry, for it's always someone else's fault.
    Only 25 years ago, more than a thousand bankers were prosecuted for this sort of malfeasance during the savings & loan scandal. Let's return to the ethical accountability of those days. Or maybe We the People should send our own message to today's banksters by rolling a guillotine down the center of Wall Street."

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