View Poll Results: Why are these "entitlements" not a part of our National dialogue?

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  • Political pressure from the wealthy.

    5 35.71%
  • Ignorance of the non-wealthy.

    4 28.57%
  • It's simply not true.

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Thread: 5 Ways Rich People's "Entitlements" Cheat You and Me

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    Re: 5 Ways Rich People's "Entitlements" Cheat You and Me

    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    Is this a poll Dave?
    Yes, but I need a mod to fix it. When I clicked enter to move to the next line, it uploaded the poll and the only way back in was to go through "edit," and that didn't allow me much more than text changes. I don't know what happened.

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    Re: 5 Ways Rich People's "Entitlements" Cheat You and Me

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Yes, but I need a mod to fix it. When I clicked enter to move to the next line, it uploaded the poll and the only way back in was to go through "edit," and that didn't allow me much more than text changes. I don't know what happened.
    Some evil rich person screwed with the forum to piss you off



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    Re: 5 Ways Rich People's "Entitlements" Cheat You and Me

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    5 Ways Rich People's "Entitlements" Cheat You and Me
    http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle37608.htm

    "By Paul Buchheit
    February 10, 2014 "Information Clearing House - "Alternet" - The word 'entitlement' is ambiguous. For working people it means "earned benefits." For the rich, the concept of entitlement is compatible with the Merriam-Webster definition: "The feeling or belief that you deserve to be given something (such as special privileges)." Recent studies agree, concluding that higher social class is associated with increased entitlement and narcissism."

    "1. Income: Mocking Our 'Progressive' Tax System
    2. Wealth: Trillions in Financial Gains, Zero Tax
    3. Financial Transactions: Trillions in Speculative Purchases, Zero Tax
    4. Subsidies: Alms for the Rich

    "Cheated

    There's more. A regressive payroll tax, an almost nonexistent estate tax, the lower capital gains rate on carried interest for investment managers, trillions socked away in tax havens -- all involve tax avoidance by wealthy Americans who feel entitled to their privileged positions.

    Entitlements for the rich mean cuts in safety net programs for children, women, retirees, and low-income families. They threaten Social Security. They redirect money from infrastructure repair, education, and job creation.

    And the more the super-rich take from us, the greater their belief that they're entitled to the wealth we all helped to create."

    This is a view of entitlements of the rich, not the average retired or disabled or poor.

    Entitlement seems to be a paradigm that can't be rectified by optics.

    In truth, the taxpayer provided infrastructure does enable the wealthy.


    Poll questions because I have lost the access to post them

    Why are these "entitlements" not a part of our National dialogue?

    Options:

    Political pressure from the wealthy.

    Ignorance of the non-wealthy.

    It's simply not true.

    Other.

    Perhaps the greatest sin, is that the author of this laughable fiction is a college teacher at DePaul, who steals money from kids, most likely through student loans, so he can reward himself via his classes on economic injustice.

    Thanks for the afternoon laugh Dave.

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    Re: 5 Ways Rich People's "Entitlements" Cheat You and Me

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    5 Ways Rich People's "Entitlements" Cheat You and Me
    http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle37608.htm

    "By Paul Buchheit
    February 10, 2014 "Information Clearing House - "Alternet" - The word 'entitlement' is ambiguous. For working people it means "earned benefits." For the rich, the concept of entitlement is compatible with the Merriam-Webster definition: "The feeling or belief that you deserve to be given something (such as special privileges)." Recent studies agree, concluding that higher social class is associated with increased entitlement and narcissism."

    "1. Income: Mocking Our 'Progressive' Tax System
    2. Wealth: Trillions in Financial Gains, Zero Tax
    3. Financial Transactions: Trillions in Speculative Purchases, Zero Tax
    4. Subsidies: Alms for the Rich

    "Cheated

    There's more. A regressive payroll tax, an almost nonexistent estate tax, the lower capital gains rate on carried interest for investment managers, trillions socked away in tax havens -- all involve tax avoidance by wealthy Americans who feel entitled to their privileged positions.

    Entitlements for the rich mean cuts in safety net programs for children, women, retirees, and low-income families. They threaten Social Security. They redirect money from infrastructure repair, education, and job creation.

    And the more the super-rich take from us, the greater their belief that they're entitled to the wealth we all helped to create."

    This is a view of entitlements of the rich, not the average retired or disabled or poor.

    Entitlement seems to be a paradigm that can't be rectified by optics.

    In truth, the taxpayer provided infrastructure does enable the wealthy.


    Poll questions because I have lost the access to post them

    Why are these "entitlements" not a part of our National dialogue?

    Options:

    Political pressure from the wealthy.

    Ignorance of the non-wealthy.

    It's simply not true.

    Other.
    Our tax code is a mess. I doubt too many people would argue that it isn't. It's been used as social engineering, fixing the economy, buying votes, and a host of other things for which it is a poor substitute for real change.

    To say, "Entitlements for working people are earned benefits" is an oxymoron. The tax code is the tax code. Blame Congress. Entitlements are something else . . . for which you can also blame Congress.

    Estate tax? Why should there even be a tax on my money when I die? Why?? I've paid tax on every dollar I have* . . . why should those net leftovers be subject to a confiscatory estate tax at all??

    *Or certainly treated them the way the tax code says they must be treated.

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    Re: 5 Ways Rich People's "Entitlements" Cheat You and Me

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Rich people do not cheat anyone as a group, nor do most cheat any one individually. And some of your examples are really stupid, like the one about estate taxes. Rich people are more likely to pay an estate tax than any one else... Also, please warn before linking to World News Daily. Some of us do not like giving the nuts there a page view. Getting "information" from there is a really bad plan by the way.
    Why would you require my assistance to censor your own self? I will flush your advice with yesterday's pizza. Thank you.

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    Re: 5 Ways Rich People's "Entitlements" Cheat You and Me

    Regardless of your presentation or whether I agree with each bullet point in the Alternet article, which is the one that I chose to read, my vote on your poll would be.

    Both 1 & 2 & Ignorance that many believe that opportunity is equal even if income is not.

    We need to stop talking about income inequality and really focus on opportunity inequality. I think that's really more what everyone wants, even what's mainly being discussed when education and healthcare and equal rights and even a higher minimum wage for all are being considered. Those open up a better path to opportunity equality. By calling it income inequality, it makes it seem as though we want their paychecks to go to our bank accounts, but what we want it for is to even out the opportunity potential for our children and, if applicable, ourselves.
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    Re: 5 Ways Rich People's "Entitlements" Cheat You and Me

    Thanks for the extra large font and bold type. It saves the people next door from having to call to see what I'm reading.

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    Re: 5 Ways Rich People's "Entitlements" Cheat You and Me

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Some evil rich person screwed with the forum to piss you off
    If you say so, I'd have never thought that.

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    Re: 5 Ways Rich People's "Entitlements" Cheat You and Me

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    If you say so, I'd have never thought that.
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    Re: 5 Ways Rich People's "Entitlements" Cheat You and Me

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Perhaps the greatest sin, is that the author of this laughable fiction is a college teacher at DePaul, who steals money from kids, most likely through student loans, so he can reward himself via his classes on economic injustice.

    Thanks for the afternoon laugh Dave.
    You should follow up on that. Must be a reward for his capture with him breaking all those laws and stealing from kids.

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