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Michael Dunn Murder Trial of Jordan Davis guilty or not?

So far do you think Michael Dunn is guilty of murder?

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My gut tells me he's guilty but the no gun found part does not impress me. There was plenty of time to get rid of it in the ensuing chaos. First thing these punks would do is get rid of the weapon, they are well schooled in crime.
 
Dunn sounded credible during the initial, but on cross examination he's getting destroyed.
 
reinoe said:
Dunn sounded credible during the initial, but on cross examination he's getting destroyed.
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Crap, I missed it. I got a text saying cross examination made him "...look silly. He's going to jail."

I got another text from a lawyer friend saying the letters from jail might be introduced in cross. Were they? Are they through with Dunn as a witness?
 
Smeagol said:
Crap, I missed it. I got a text saying cross examination made him "...look silly. He's going to jail."

I got another text from a lawyer friend saying the letters from jail might be introduced in cross. Were they? Are they through with Dunn as a witness?
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Yes, despite numerous objections from defense, the letters are in.
 
Superfly said:
Yes, despite numerous objections from defense, the letters are in.
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Thanks.

Court's back in session.

This is all sad. Nobody wins either way.
 
Smeagol said:
Thanks.

Court's back in session.

This is all sad. Nobody wins either way.
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I'm running an hour and a half behind. I had to go out for a while but I DVR'd it so I could see cross.

And you're right - it is sad. What's equally sad is that people are still calling this kid a thug, and he was an A student, and was in AP classes. But because he's black, I guess that makes him a thug.
 
Superfly said:
I know. When Casey Anthony can walk, and George Zimmerman can walk, and you have people in Florida serving life sentences for non-violent marijuana crimes? Yeah, nothing surprises me in Florida. Nothing.
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Zimmerman and Casey were over charged from day one. Given the totality of the circumstances and the lack of real evidence against the two (Zimmerman being a jerk cop wanna'be and Casey having a sociopathic type personality is not "evidence") both should have been charged with manslaughter or for Casey, a Criminally Negligent Homicide type charge.

In the meantime though, Dunn did it and he is done.
 
I havent watched yet today but it seems like its going even worse, i said earlier that Dunn should never take the stand and it seems from reading he fell apart and is lying all over the place
 
sawyerloggingon said:
My gut tells me he's guilty but the no gun found part does not impress me. There was plenty of time to get rid of it in the ensuing chaos. First thing these punks would do is get rid of the weapon, they are well schooled in crime.
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First you are clueless about just what the teens are well schooled in. Do you have any proof they were seasoned criminals, well schooled in crime or are you just going by skin color? :doh

Second the first thing these punks learn to say after an unjustified shooting is 'self defense', 'I saw a gun', and 'they said they were going to kill me'. :roll:
 
Superfly said:
Holy cow, dood. Learn how to take a joke. All that anger isn't healthy for you.
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Holy cow dude. The anger apparently is all yours. Which is why you were talking crap in the first place.
Stop making untrue statements and you would have to worry about me replying to them.
 
Superfly said:
I'm running an hour and a half behind. I had to go out for a while but I DVR'd it so I could see cross.

And you're right - it is sad. What's equally sad is that people are still calling this kid a thug, and he was an A student, and was in AP classes. But because he's black, I guess that makes him a thug.
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What TV station is it on? I've had a hard time finding coverage except online video streaming?

And yes, I've almost lost faith in humanity and especially the stated ideological camps of people expressing such views when I detect a pattern.
 
AGENT J said:
I havent watched yet today but it seems like its going even worse, i said earlier that Dunn should never take the stand and it seems from reading he fell apart and is lying all over the place
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I think he had no choice. The state's case was so strong up to that point he would had likely struck out without at last taking a swing. He did look honest and credible during most of what I saw of the direct examination. You never know. Cases are often won and lost at jury selection and I think the jury is stacked in his favor. Nothing would surprise me.
 
Smeagol said:
I think he had no choice. The state's case was so strong up to that point he would had likely struck out without at last taking a swing. He did look honest and credible during most of what I saw of the direct examination. You never know. Cases are often won and lost at jury selection and I think the jury is stacked in his favor. Nothing would surprise me.
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really?

is it stacked with def, dumb and blind morons with the last name Dunn? lol

I mean I agree anything is possible and nothing would surprise me either but unless something huge happened today he is as guilty as the sun is hot.
now M1 might be M2 instead of something like that but he is guilty of murder and other crimes for sure and i hope they charge the woman too but i dont think they will. I would

cant wait till i get to watch
 
AGENT J said:
really?

is it stacked with def, dumb and blind morons with the last name Dunn? lol

I mean I agree anything is possible and nothing would surprise me either but unless something huge happened today he is as guilty as the sun is hot.
now M1 might be M2 instead of something like that but he is guilty of murder and other crimes for sure and i hope they charge the woman too but i dont think they will. I would

cant wait till i get to watch
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Tribalism sometimes trumps truth, fairness and justice.
 
Smeagol said:
Tribalism sometimes trumps truth, fairness and justice.
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true

in this case that tribalism would = stupidity, ignorance
 
Excon said:
Because if the decision was based on the law, he will not be convicted of murder.
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How would tribalism specifically influence an unfair guilty verdict?

Reporters inside the court say the makeup of the jury is diverse: 10 females and six males -- 11 of whom appear to be Caucasian, three of whom appear to be African-American, one of whom appears to be of Asian descent and the last appears to be Hispanic.

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2014/02/05/michael-dunn-opening-statements-will-begin-thursday

- Neither the accused nor the victim are female so gender identity wouldn't seem to be a tribal factor since most of the jurors are female.
- Davis was African-American and only 3 of the 16 jurors are African American, and all 3 could conceivably be alternates so race-based tribalism couldn't favor identity with the victim.
- Its likely politically Davis' family are democrats while most registered voters in Jacksonville are Republicans who likely realize 90%+ of blacks in America are democrats so political identity tribalism wouldn't favor the victim, especially considering Dunn is a gun enthusiast and guns rights are a strong GOP ideological value.
 
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Smeagol said:
How would tribalism specifically influence an unfair guilty verdict?
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Really?
You must be speaking of tribalism in reference to race.
I am not.

I am speaking of tribalism in reference to the community as a whole, which the Jurors represent.

The community being against Dunn can lead to the Jurors not following the law.


Make no mistake, I understand your point, it is just that it goes both ways.
 
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