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    Re: Michael Dunn Murder Trial of Jordan Davis guilty or not?

    Hung Jury at this point. I figured they'd be done by this Friday so that they could enjoy a nice three day weekend.
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    Re: Michael Dunn Murder Trial of Jordan Davis guilty or not?

    Three more jury questions today -

    1. Is the defense of self-defense separate for each person in each count? Judge Russell Healey answered "Yes."
    2. Are we determining if deadly force is justified against each person in each count? Judge: "Yes."
    3. If we determine deadly force is justified against one person, is it justified against the others. Judge: "No. Self-defense and justifiable use of deadly force applies separately to each count."
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    It's looking like the hangup is that at least one juror feels that self defense was warranted regarding Davis but that it wasn't against the others. That would mean a deadlock on the 1st degree and convictions on the attempts.

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    Re: Michael Dunn Murder Trial of Jordan Davis guilty or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Three more jury questions today -

    1. Is the defense of self-defense separate for each person in each count? Judge Russell Healey answered "Yes."
    2. Are we determining if deadly force is justified against each person in each count? Judge: "Yes."
    3. If we determine deadly force is justified against one person, is it justified against the others. Judge: "No. Self-defense and justifiable use of deadly force applies separately to each count."
    Jury asks questions on Day 4 of deliberations | News - Home

    It's looking like the hangup is that at least one juror feels that self defense was warranted regarding Davis but that it wasn't against the others. That would mean a deadlock on the 1st degree and convictions on the attempts.
    It just may be murder one on Davis and the debate is on charges involving the other three individuals. Murder one or two on Davis is pretty much a given but the other three men were placed in harms way and could have easily been killed.

    Have a feeling they will go one more day.

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    Re: Michael Dunn Murder Trial of Jordan Davis guilty or not?

    Thanks, Luther. It's honestly refreshing to be able to read comments like yours that don't resort to HE HAS TO BE INNOCENT or HE HAS TO BE GUILTY OMG !!1!11

    Personally, I think he's guilty but it's frustrating reading all the nasty responses - the "you clearly don't know what you are talking about because of blah blah blah"
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    Re: Michael Dunn Murder Trial of Jordan Davis guilty or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    Please explain your rationale behind that?

    I don't recall the jury instructions saying that.

    But I will listen to them again.
    I couldn't find the jury instructions online. Are there any transcripts of them? My rational is that the law doesn't require an intent on the life of a specific person.

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    Re: Michael Dunn Murder Trial of Jordan Davis guilty or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    It just may be murder one on Davis and the debate is on charges involving the other three individuals. Murder one or two on Davis is pretty much a given but the other three men were placed in harms way and could have easily been killed.

    Have a feeling they will go one more day.
    Honestly, after the last couple of high profile trials in Florida, I would be hesitant to say anything is a given. I was so sure - 100% certain - that Casey Anthony was going to be guilty, but she walked. I got so personally invested in that trial because it was so heinous, and so cut-and-dried. So clear that she did it, why she did it, what she did while the body was still in the trunk, etc -- honestly? I cried when the verdict was read. I was that angry. While I watched the Zimmerman trial, and watched the Dunn trial, I have my feelings about how I think things should go, but refuse to let myself get that emotionally invested in any trial, ever again. After Casey Anthony, that proved to me that there is no justice, and no way to prove which way a jury will go.
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    Re: Michael Dunn Murder Trial of Jordan Davis guilty or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Thanks, Luther. It's honestly refreshing to be able to read comments like yours that don't resort to HE HAS TO BE INNOCENT or HE HAS TO BE GUILTY OMG !!1!11

    Personally, I think he's guilty but it's frustrating reading all the nasty responses - the "you clearly don't know what you are talking about because of blah blah blah"
    I agree.

    I think the case is textbook 2nd degree and I'm kind of surprised that the deliberations are taking this long but it's a whole hell of a lot easier to make that kind of assessment from behind a keyboard than it is in the jury room. These people know that they'll get a bad rap from someone either way they decide.

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    Re: Michael Dunn Murder Trial of Jordan Davis guilty or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    I couldn't find the jury instructions online. Are there any transcripts of them? My rational is that the law doesn't require an intent on the life of a specific person.
    I posted them earlier in the thread...there are links here - Standard Jury Instructions in Criminal Cases

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    Re: Michael Dunn Murder Trial of Jordan Davis guilty or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Honestly, after the last couple of high profile trials in Florida, I would be hesitant to say anything is a given. I was so sure - 100% certain - that Casey Anthony was going to be guilty, but she walked. I got so personally invested in that trial because it was so heinous, and so cut-and-dried. So clear that she did it, why she did it, what she did while the body was still in the trunk, etc -- honestly? I cried when the verdict was read. I was that angry. While I watched the Zimmerman trial, and watched the Dunn trial, I have my feelings about how I think things should go, but refuse to let myself get that emotionally invested in any trial, ever again. After Casey Anthony, that proved to me that there is no justice, and no way to prove which way a jury will go.
    I was "invested" in the Casey Anthony trial too and was very disappointed by the verdict. She did it. But I think the jury rendered an honorable verdict based on the evidence they were allowed to consider.

    And that's the thing: Every week juries are diligently and honorably working to come up with their honest best. OJ juries are the exception rather than the rule. (Judge Ito explicitly removed from the potential jury pool all those who read newspapers and weekly news magazines, and how sad is that? A jury of OJ's peers would've been his Brentwood neighbors, not the jury finally selected.)

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    Re: Michael Dunn Murder Trial of Jordan Davis guilty or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    So far do you think Michael Dunn is guilty of murder?








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    Dont know who is familiar with the case but here are all the videos so far, ill be posting pictures and articles and other things

    so far today 2/10/14 I think he is guilty

    for me it comes down to these things

    he said he saw a gun yet there no corroborating evidence of this, It wasn't found, no wittiness saw one.

    if there was one pointed at him and the cars were side by side, why would a person once they see a shot gun, reach to the glove box knowing the gun is not ready to shoot, open it, load the chamber, then place his arms out the window two hands to shoot.? im no gun expert but my guess is a shot gun could clear the interior of the car with one shot, why waste all that time, seems like there was no fear or panic but thats just my opinion

    then after Dunn shoots at the SUV 10 times (1 misses) n clusters of 3, 4, 3 while the SUV was stationary (3) moving to leave (4), moving stopped during turn (3) he leaves the scene, drives 40 mins to his hotel, takes out the dog, eats, watches a movie, goes to sleep, wakes up and drives 2.5 hours home and doesnt call police

    those things along with all the evidence and testimony so far make me think his goose is cooked




    Day 1 opening statments
    MICHAEL DUNN MURDER TRIAL 02/06/2014 DAY 1 OPENING STATEMENTS - YouTube
    Day 1 Part 2
    MICHAEL DUNN MURDER TRIAL 02/06/2014 DAY 1 PART 2 - YouTube
    Day 1 Part 3
    MICHAEL DUNN MURDER TRIAL 02/06/2014 DAY 1 PART 3 FINAL - YouTube
    Day 2 Part 1
    MICHAEL DUNN MURDER TRIAL DAY 2 02/07/2014 MORNING PART 1 - YouTube
    Day 2 Part 2
    MICHAEL DUNN MURDER TRIAL DAY 2 02/07/2014 AFTERNOON PART 1 - YouTube
    Day 2 Part 3
    MICHAEL DUNN MURDER TRIAL DAY 2 02/07/2014 AFTERNOON FINAL - YouTube
    Day 3 Part 1
    MICHAEL DUNN MURDER TRIAL DAY 3 02/08/2014 MORNING PART 1 - YouTube
    Day 3 Part 2
    MICHAEL DUNN MURDER TRIAL DAY 3 02/08/2014 MORNING PART 2 - YouTube
    Day 3 part 3
    MICHAEL DUNN MURDER TRIAL DAY 3 02/08/2014 AFTERNOON PART 1 - YouTube
    Day 3 Part 4
    MICHAEL DUNN MURDER TRIAL DAY 3 02/08/2014 AFTERNOON PART 2 - YouTube
    Day 3 Part 5
    MICHAEL DUNN MURDER TRIAL DAY 3 02/08/2014 AFTERNOON PART 3 FINAL - YouTube
    Day 4 Part 1
    MICHAEL DUNN MURDER TRIAL DAY 4 02/10/2014 MORNING PART 1 - YouTube
    Day 4 Part 2
    MICHAEL DUNN MURDER TRIAL DAY 4 02/10/2014 MORNING PART 2 (MEDICAL EXAMINER) - YouTube
    Day 4 Part 3
    MICHAEL DUNN MURDER TRIAL DAY 4 02/10/2014 AFTERNOON PART 1 - YouTube
    Day 4 Part 4
    MICHAEL DUNN MURDER TRIAL DAY 4 02/10/2014 AFTERNOON PART 2 - YouTube

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    We should have the verdict from the jury soon, I don't see any way that Mr. Dunn will walk out of that courtroom a free man.

    That kid should still be alive.

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