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Thread: Michael Dunn Murder Trial of Jordan Davis guilty or not?

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    Re: Michael Dunn Murder Trial of Jordan Davis guilty or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    If I were the parent of an 11th grader I would not consider my child an adult. I would have him on a curfew, make sure he did his homework and ground him from using the Nintendo if he brings home bad grades. Why? Because he's a child. On the other hand if I were the parent of a 47 year old man I would not do any of those things because he's a grown a55 man. That said, I understand everybody is different and some people might treat them as in the same age group with similar parental roles toward both the 11th grader and the 47 year old. ???
    I don't know if this matters to anyone but I think it is relevant to this debate with regard to the legitimacy of calling Jordan Davis a boy.

    "... the changes that happen between 18 and 25 are a continuation of the process that starts around puberty, and 18 year olds are about halfway through that process. Their prefrontal cortex is not yet fully developed. That's the part of the brain that helps you to inhibit impulses ......."


    Is this idea that the brains of 18 year olds aren't fully developed a matter of settled science?

    Yes"

    Brain Maturity Extends Well Beyond Teen Years : NPR

    So, technically speaking at 17 yrs of age his brain was only about halfway through the development process in some of the most critical areas of the brain. So having the same expectations of a 17 yr old when it comes to his ability to make judgments and control his behavior as you have from a man over 50yrs of age is like challenging a toddler to leg race. While we hope our kids are able to practice self control despite this disadvantage they often don't, especially boys. An inability to function at the same level as a man over 50 does not necessarily reflect the same on the character of that boy as it does of a man Dunns age.

    Bottom line, I would have expected more from a grown man and Jordan Davis was just a boy.
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    Re: Michael Dunn Murder Trial of Jordan Davis guilty or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I would likely always be struck from a criminal jury pool as a discretionary strike that both sides is allowed. One side or the other would not like my employment and one, the other or both would not like how I would answer some questions.

    Your message is extreme. You do not want juries to hear evidence - just read newspapers and blogs - to then make socially political left rulings. And you make it clear you would disavow law to make that ruling. You would make "social left platitude-goodness" decisions. I'm glad you're not on the jury too.
    Making blind accusations to inflame the debate appears to be a consistent technique on your part. I refuse to take responsibility for your wild eyed accusations about my positions. So stop it.
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    Re: Michael Dunn Murder Trial of Jordan Davis guilty or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    another posted lie, let me know when you can quote me saying the lie you made up until you to it will continue being a lie and your posts will continue to be destroyed.
    Facts win again
    There you lie is again.
    I quoted you saying exactly what you said. You,in reply to a specific post replied and stated the storys were factually false. When none of what I said was factually false.
    You said it and I quoted it. Post #159. So stop being untruthful.
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    Re: Michael Dunn Murder Trial of Jordan Davis guilty or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I don't know if this matters to anyone but I think it is relevant to this debate with regard to the legitimacy of calling Jordan Davis a boy.

    "... the changes that happen between 18 and 25 are a continuation of the process that starts around puberty, and 18 year olds are about halfway through that process. Their prefrontal cortex is not yet fully developed. That's the part of the brain that helps you to inhibit impulses ......."


    Is this idea that the brains of 18 year olds aren't fully developed a matter of settled science?

    Yes"

    Brain Maturity Extends Well Beyond Teen Years : NPR

    So, technically speaking at 17 yrs of age his brain was only about halfway through the development process in some of the most critical areas of the brain. So having the same expectations of a 17 yr old when it comes to his ability to make judgments and control his behavior as you have from a man over 50yrs of age is like challenging a toddler to leg race. While we hope our kids are able to practice self control despite this disadvantage they often don't, especially boys. An inability to function at the same level as a man over 50 does not necessarily reflect the same on the character of that boy as it does of a man Dunns age.

    Bottom line, I would have expected more from a grown man and Jordan Davis was just a boy.
    I think Excon's issue was by my referring to the occupants of the SUV as "kids," I was making the incident look more tragic.

    By the way. Michael Dunn called them kids too during his post arrest interrogation. The prosecution mentioned that he changed from calling them "kids" to some other descriptive like; angry and menacing men or something similar, forget what exactly but apparently after getting legal advice.
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    Re: Michael Dunn Murder Trial of Jordan Davis guilty or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I think Excon's issue was by my referring to the occupants of the SUV as "kids," I was making the incident look more tragic.
    I think alot of people here that take issue with calling them kids have that same perspective. I don't see it as a dramatization though. It's reality. I think it softens the reality for them if they can discourage it. It's gotta sting more when you recognize that you are defending someone who killed a kid. But, it is in fact more tragic because he was only 17 and if they can't just take that punch in the gut to their position, that's too bad in my mind

    By the way. Michael Dunn called them kids too during his post arrest interrogation. The prosecution mentioned that he changed from calling them "kids" to some other descriptive like; angry and menacing men or something similar, forget what exactly but apparently after getting legal advice.
    That's interesting. So clearly the defense thought that reality was relevant enough to redirect their client.
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    Re: Michael Dunn Murder Trial of Jordan Davis guilty or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I don't know if this matters to anyone but I think it is relevant to this debate with regard to the legitimacy of calling Jordan Davis a boy.

    "... the changes that happen between 18 and 25 are a continuation of the process that starts around puberty, and 18 year olds are about halfway through that process. Their prefrontal cortex is not yet fully developed. That's the part of the brain that helps you to inhibit impulses ......."


    Is this idea that the brains of 18 year olds aren't fully developed a matter of settled science?

    Yes"

    Brain Maturity Extends Well Beyond Teen Years : NPR

    So, technically speaking at 17 yrs of age his brain was only about halfway through the development process in some of the most critical areas of the brain. So having the same expectations of a 17 yr old when it comes to his ability to make judgments and control his behavior as you have from a man over 50yrs of age is like challenging a toddler to leg race. While we hope our kids are able to practice self control despite this disadvantage they often don't, especially boys. An inability to function at the same level as a man over 50 does not necessarily reflect the same on the character of that boy as it does of a man Dunns age.

    Bottom line, I would have expected more from a grown man and Jordan Davis was just a boy.
    It shouldn't matter to anyone.
    If Dunn's account of what Davis said and did is accurate, this information does not excuse him in the slightest.
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    Re: Michael Dunn Murder Trial of Jordan Davis guilty or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    It shouldn't matter to anyone.
    If Dunn's account of what Davis said and did is accurate, this information does not excuse him in the slightest.
    It's not about providing an excuse. It's about having factual information to base your opinions and expectations on instead of basing them on nothing more then just more opinion
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    Re: Michael Dunn Murder Trial of Jordan Davis guilty or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    It's not about providing an excuse. It's about having factual information to base your opinions and expectations on instead of basing them on nothing more then just more opinion
    Factual information?
    Not!

    It is information that does not excuse or even mitigate his actions. Period.
    It is irrelevant.
    Lets see just how irrelevant it was ok? Was such information given to the Jurors? What was that?

    Yeah... That is what I thought.
    It is irrelevant.
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    Re: Michael Dunn Murder Trial of Jordan Davis guilty or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    I think Muhammed is deliberately trying to be argumentative. I'm watching closing arguments. There's plastic all in the backseat of the car, where the bullets were fired into the back door. If the door had been opened, the plastic from the door would have been on the ground outside the car, not on the inside of the car seat.

    Also, the trajectory is clear.

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    Superfly, thats just not true. If the door was partially opened enough for the trajectory of the bullet holes in the back door to match up with the shots in the front door, as the most credible witness reported, then the plastic, glass and the bullets would have went inside of the Durango, just as they did.

    There was also very little glass in the Durango or in the parking lot. This also contradicts the 3 thugs' claims that the window was only about 3 inches open. Where is all the glass?

    It is inside the door because the window was wide open when the bullets went through the door.

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    Re: Michael Dunn Murder Trial of Jordan Davis guilty or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Factual information?
    Not!

    It is information that does not excuse or even mitigate his actions. Period.
    It is irrelevant.
    Lets see just how irrelevant it was ok? Was such information given to the Jurors? What was that?

    Yeah... That is what I thought.
    It is irrelevant.
    Are you holding your breath and stamping your feet right now? It doesn't work with my kids and it won't work for you.
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