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    Is religious freedom actually possible

    So ive done some thinking in the time since i last created a thread and this is one of the questions that has come up in my mind often. Now many of you will say yes and not bother to read this and others of you will say no and still not read this. So here is what i am going to do. im going to keep typing and hope someone bothers to read this.

    So lets start off with an example. Personally im a supporter of gay/lesbian/bi rights, but consider how many religions exist out there that condemn homosexuality. And no this is not just rapping on Christianity. People groups in Islam,Judaism, im pretty sure Hinduism and Buddhism too, all put it down. And yet, if the gay rights activists are to be believed, then being gay/lesbian/bi is not a choice but a way of life chosen for them like being strait or homophobic is for the rest of us. Now, if all of those religions say put it down, and the government and the rest of the world is saying go screw your religion and let it happen, is religious freedom actually happening?

    Again, i personally support gay rights, but i also believe in Christ as my savior. So if someone could clear it up for me without becoming a heated debate over why everyone hates me for bringing this up, it would be much obliged.
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    Re: Is religious freedom actually possible

    I stopped reading when I saw the word "gay." I've had enough of that topic. It's all we ever talk about on here.

    However, no, I don't think religious freedom is ever completely possible. Consider that some religions have human sacrifice, that can never be allowed, and therefore their religious freedom has to be curtailed.

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    Re: Is religious freedom actually possible

    You're confusing freedom with authority.

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    Re: Is religious freedom actually possible

    It depends on what you mean. Is it possible to have absolute freedom for any and all religions to do what they all want to do? Not a chance. If you mean can they all believe what they want to believe, sure, nobody can control what nonsense goes on in someone's head, but when it comes to putting those thoughts into action, that's where freedom gets curtailed and for good reason.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Is religious freedom actually possible

    Quote Originally Posted by JJB3333 View Post
    So ive done some thinking in the time since i last created a thread and this is one of the questions that has come up in my mind often. Now many of you will say yes and not bother to read this and others of you will say no and still not read this. So here is what i am going to do. im going to keep typing and hope someone bothers to read this.

    So lets start off with an example. Personally im a supporter of gay/lesbian/bi rights, but consider how many religions exist out there that condemn homosexuality. And no this is not just rapping on Christianity. People groups in Islam,Judaism, im pretty sure Hinduism and Buddhism too, all put it down. And yet, if the gay rights activists are to be believed, then being gay/lesbian/bi is not a choice but a way of life chosen for them like being strait or homophobic is for the rest of us. Now, if all of those religions say put it down, and the government and the rest of the world is saying go screw your religion and let it happen, is religious freedom actually happening?

    Again, i personally support gay rights, but i also believe in Christ as my savior. So if someone could clear it up for me without becoming a heated debate over why everyone hates me for bringing this up, it would be much obliged.


    How about we just each believe according to our conscience, and let others do the same, and otherwise don't try to impose our beliefs on others, whether religious or secular or ideological or etc.

    Close enough for me. In my private life I'm pretty libertarian: I rarely stick my nose into other's business uninvited, unless what they're doing directly impacts my life. Most of the time it really doesn't.

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    Re: Is religious freedom actually possible

    If we can prevent the Unthinking Left from destroying it...Yes.

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    Re: Is religious freedom actually possible

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    If we can prevent the Unthinking Left from destroying it...Yes.


    Classic Conservative Persecution Complex.

    Far Right Wing Christians are slowly be disallowed from using their political power to deny gays rights.

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    Re: Is religious freedom actually possible

    Quote Originally Posted by JJB3333 View Post
    So ive done some thinking in the time since i last created a thread and this is one of the questions that has come up in my mind often. Now many of you will say yes and not bother to read this and others of you will say no and still not read this. So here is what i am going to do. im going to keep typing and hope someone bothers to read this.

    So lets start off with an example. Personally im a supporter of gay/lesbian/bi rights, but consider how many religions exist out there that condemn homosexuality. And no this is not just rapping on Christianity. People groups in Islam,Judaism, im pretty sure Hinduism and Buddhism too, all put it down. And yet, if the gay rights activists are to be believed, then being gay/lesbian/bi is not a choice but a way of life chosen for them like being strait or homophobic is for the rest of us. Now, if all of those religions say put it down, and the government and the rest of the world is saying go screw your religion and let it happen, is religious freedom actually happening?

    Again, i personally support gay rights, but i also believe in Christ as my savior. So if someone could clear it up for me without becoming a heated debate over why everyone hates me for bringing this up, it would be much obliged.
    It would depend on how you define freedom. The American tradition has always been rather libertarianesque, and it is growing more so. If you define freedom as allowing everyone to be how they wish to be, then freedom of religion prevails in spades. But if you define freedom as being free to impose your own religious imperatives on others, not just on yourself, then no we do not have religious freedom. And you are right that the gay issue is an example of it, but there are many, many more. Consider divorce. Catholics generally don't condone it but our laws permit it. Are Catholics having their religious freedom imposed upon because they can't impose their doctrine on others?

    So, we define freedom in the only way that is consistent with each person having control over their own choice in theology and/or philosophy. Truly the only one where everyone is free, not just 50.00001% of us.
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    Re: Is religious freedom actually possible

    no.... unless you buy your own island/ live in a cave away from other people.

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    Re: Is religious freedom actually possible

    Quote Originally Posted by JJB3333 View Post
    Again, i personally support gay rights, but i also believe in Christ as my savior. So if someone could clear it up for me without becoming a heated debate over why everyone hates me for bringing this up, it would be much obliged.
    If "religious freedom" conflicts with basic human rights - no, it's not possible.
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