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    Re: Is religious freedom actually possible

    Simpy put no. Almost every major religion has a dictatorial aspect built in and wants to dominate, which in turn means religious freedom is a myth. The closest you get to religious freedom is in certain European countries where religion is not part of public life but is a personal thing. But even then there are religious aspects incorporated into the state mechanism and they usually favour one religion over others.

    Freedom of religion is the right to practice said religion without any meddling but it is also the right of others not to be pressured and dictated by said religions and this is the constant battle going on all countries. In most religion is winning (take Spain and its new anti-abortion laws) and in the few religion has very little (but still has some) influence on day to day life.
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    Re: Is religious freedom actually possible

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Religion hinders critical thinking and knowledge. Thus it enslaves the mind to the same old written nonsense in their "holy" books.

    Hence "religious freedom" is an oxymoron.
    Tell that to the legions of scientists worldwide who follow religions.

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    Re: Is religious freedom actually possible

    Yes all freedoms end where others begin. However, there is no loss of freedom to Ed the born again fundamentalist Christian because Bob and Fred get married.
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    Re: Is religious freedom actually possible

    Quote Originally Posted by JJB3333 View Post
    So ive done some thinking in the time since i last created a thread and this is one of the questions that has come up in my mind often. Now many of you will say yes and not bother to read this and others of you will say no and still not read this. So here is what i am going to do. im going to keep typing and hope someone bothers to read this.

    So lets start off with an example. Personally im a supporter of gay/lesbian/bi rights, but consider how many religions exist out there that condemn homosexuality. And no this is not just rapping on Christianity. People groups in Islam,Judaism, im pretty sure Hinduism and Buddhism too, all put it down. And yet, if the gay rights activists are to be believed, then being gay/lesbian/bi is not a choice but a way of life chosen for them like being strait or homophobic is for the rest of us. Now, if all of those religions say put it down, and the government and the rest of the world is saying go screw your religion and let it happen, is religious freedom actually happening?

    Again, i personally support gay rights, but i also believe in Christ as my savior. So if someone could clear it up for me without becoming a heated debate over why everyone hates me for bringing this up, it would be much obliged.
    If society growing in more acceptance of gay (et al) lifestyles and my faithís disagreement with this is losing the battle, this doesnít affect my religious liberties whatsoever. I canít speak for other faiths/religions, but I am a Christian and can only speak for that. God condemns homosexuality. Throughout the New Testament itís pretty clear. For those that donít hold that faith and support gay relationships, it doesnít much matter what the bible says. If you claim you are a believer, your faith should compel you to reject this behavior. That does not mean you should go around shaking your judgmental finger at them. The example Jesus set was not to accept them, but to love them; and through this love hopefully they will change their ways.

    I am by no means questioning your faith; Iím only stating whatís in that Book that Christians follow as our userís manual. You either believe what it says or you donít. None of this prevents me from practicing my faith. Once my government comes in and bans it, or someone kills me for practicing it, then I am no longer free to practice it.

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    Re: Is religious freedom actually possible

    Quote Originally Posted by JJB3333 View Post
    So ive done some thinking in the time since i last created a thread and this is one of the questions that has come up in my mind often. Now many of you will say yes and not bother to read this and others of you will say no and still not read this. So here is what i am going to do. im going to keep typing and hope someone bothers to read this.

    So lets start off with an example. Personally im a supporter of gay/lesbian/bi rights, but consider how many religions exist out there that condemn homosexuality. And no this is not just rapping on Christianity. People groups in Islam,Judaism, im pretty sure Hinduism and Buddhism too, all put it down. And yet, if the gay rights activists are to be believed, then being gay/lesbian/bi is not a choice but a way of life chosen for them like being strait or homophobic is for the rest of us. Now, if all of those religions say put it down, and the government and the rest of the world is saying go screw your religion and let it happen, is religious freedom actually happening?

    Again, i personally support gay rights, but i also believe in Christ as my savior. So if someone could clear it up for me without becoming a heated debate over why everyone hates me for bringing this up, it would be much obliged.
    Why should religious freedom clash with civil rights for gays? The fact that gays can marry does not interfere with people's religious freedom. The problem might be that people want to push their religious views on the entire population and that has nothing to do with religious freedom but with religious dictatorship.

    That applies for several issues that religious people feel very strongly about and that they not only want themselves to comply to but want everybody else in the country/world to comply with too.
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    Re: Is religious freedom actually possible

    Quote Originally Posted by JJB3333 View Post
    So ive done some thinking in the time since i last created a thread and this is one of the questions that has come up in my mind often. Now many of you will say yes and not bother to read this and others of you will say no and still not read this. So here is what i am going to do. im going to keep typing and hope someone bothers to read this.

    So lets start off with an example. Personally im a supporter of gay/lesbian/bi rights, but consider how many religions exist out there that condemn homosexuality. And no this is not just rapping on Christianity. People groups in Islam,Judaism, im pretty sure Hinduism and Buddhism too, all put it down. And yet, if the gay rights activists are to be believed, then being gay/lesbian/bi is not a choice but a way of life chosen for them like being strait or homophobic is for the rest of us. Now, if all of those religions say put it down, and the government and the rest of the world is saying go screw your religion and let it happen, is religious freedom actually happening?

    Again, i personally support gay rights, but i also believe in Christ as my savior. So if someone could clear it up for me without becoming a heated debate over why everyone hates me for bringing this up, it would be much obliged.

    I can't speak for Hinduism, but Theravada Buddhism has no problems with gays, equal rights for them etc. In fact there is a gay couple that attend one of the Wats the wife and I go. The idea is to teach everyone the four noble truths and to have each of us start on the 8 fold path to enlightenment. Being a man, a woman, a gay, has no bearing.
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    Re: Is religious freedom actually possible

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Why should religious freedom clash with civil rights for gays? The fact that gays can marry does not interfere with people's religious freedom. The problem might be that people want to push their religious views on the entire population and that has nothing to do with religious freedom but with religious dictatorship.

    That applies for several issues that religious people feel very strongly about and that they not only want themselves to comply to but want everybody else in the country/world to comply with too.
    And if Jesus wanted us to use government to get our way He would have done the same in His day. He would have preached that His followers should be pushing their demands on the Roman Empire. Jesus did the opposite; He was pacifistic in that regard. He actually submitted himself the their authority. He so respected their laws of crucifixion that He didnít even bother to defend himself.

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    Re: Is religious freedom actually possible

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    If we can prevent the Unthinking Left from destroying it...Yes.
    Stupid propaganda argument that does nothing to contribute to the discussion. Sad.
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    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Is religious freedom actually possible

    Quote Originally Posted by alsos View Post
    And if Jesus wanted us to use government to get our way He would have done the same in His day. He would have preached that His followers should be pushing their demands on the Roman Empire. Jesus did the opposite; He was pacifistic in that regard. He actually submitted himself the their authority. He so respected their laws of crucifixion that He didn’t even bother to defend himself.
    But we are not living in Roman times, we live in 2014 and religious freedom should not result in denying civil rights of other people in that society.
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    Re: Is religious freedom actually possible

    Quote Originally Posted by alsos View Post
    And if Jesus wanted us to use government to get our way He would have done the same in His day. He would have preached that His followers should be pushing their demands on the Roman Empire. Jesus did the opposite; He was pacifistic in that regard. He actually submitted himself the their authority. He so respected their laws of crucifixion that He didn’t even bother to defend himself.
    That assumes that Jesus was actually real and that anything described in the Bible actually happened.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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