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    Re: Is religious freedom actually possible

    Quote Originally Posted by JJB3333 View Post
    So ive done some thinking in the time since i last created a thread and this is one of the questions that has come up in my mind often. Now many of you will say yes and not bother to read this and others of you will say no and still not read this. So here is what i am going to do. im going to keep typing and hope someone bothers to read this.

    So lets start off with an example. Personally im a supporter of gay/lesbian/bi rights, but consider how many religions exist out there that condemn homosexuality. And no this is not just rapping on Christianity. People groups in Islam,Judaism, im pretty sure Hinduism and Buddhism too, all put it down. And yet, if the gay rights activists are to be believed, then being gay/lesbian/bi is not a choice but a way of life chosen for them like being strait or homophobic is for the rest of us. Now, if all of those religions say put it down, and the government and the rest of the world is saying go screw your religion and let it happen, is religious freedom actually happening?

    Again, i personally support gay rights, but i also believe in Christ as my savior. So if someone could clear it up for me without becoming a heated debate over why everyone hates me for bringing this up, it would be much obliged.
    YOU have the religious freedom to not be in a same sex marriage, or get divorced, or have an abortion, etc, but you do not have the religious freedom to make me live by your religious rules. If you were allowed to enforce your religious rules on me then I do not have religious freedom. Something being legal does not mean that you have to partake of it.
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    Re: Is religious freedom actually possible

    Everyone has the freedom to believe whatever they want to believe, as long as those beliefs are not limiting the freedom of others..

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    Re: Is religious freedom actually possible

    How about we found the Everybody Mind Their Own Damn Business party?


    Works for me. If you ain't doing it in my house or yard, or in my vehicle, or hurting me with it directly, or trying to shove it down my throat... I don't really much care.

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    Re: Is religious freedom actually possible

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post


    Classic Conservative Persecution Complex.

    Far Right Wing Christians are slowly be disallowed from using their political power to deny gays rights.

    "WE'RE BEING OPPRESSED"

    So what do you say to those christian tea partiers that wanted to stop Muslims from building a Mosque?
    Classic I just made an ass of myself by assuming complex...

    Shame on them.

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    Re: Is religious freedom actually possible

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    How about we found the Everybody Mind Their Own Damn Business party?


    Works for me. If you ain't doing it in my house or yard, or in my vehicle, or hurting me with it directly, or trying to shove it down my throat... I don't really much care.
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    Re: Is religious freedom actually possible

    Religion hinders critical thinking and knowledge. Thus it enslaves the mind to the same old written nonsense in their "holy" books.

    Hence "religious freedom" is an oxymoron.
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    Re: Is religious freedom actually possible

    If your idea of religious freedom is to force others to conform to your beliefs, then no.
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    Re: Is religious freedom actually possible

    The root of this question is freedom in general. Where does freedom really reside? It's a state of being that is not tied to circumstance. We were born free, live free, and die free. It only ceases to be true when you believe it to be so. It's not much different from unconditional love. If you can learn to love humanity for what it is, the good and the bad, the beautiful and the ugly, without holding any of it responsible for whether or not you love, then you are free. The basis of freedom is non-attachment/non-dependence.

    I have a lot of respect for the religions of the world so please don't take what I'm about to say too personally. Religion requires discernment. Some people believe religion word for word while others completely dismiss it. The truth is somewhere in the middle. If you really want to extract core truth from religious teachings then you have to be willing to dive in and practice discernment.

    If you're a genuine truth seeker then you can't possibly swallow religion whole, and there's no betrayal in saying so. I think that is the happy medium we are headed toward. Things like homosexuality are a testing ground where we apply discernment and rationally conclude that there is nothing wrong.

    In line with this, there has to come a point when we are able to collectively acknowledge that there is a lot about religion that is simply wrong, and that's okay. There's no such thing as a perfect ideology anywhere, and it's imperfection which largely defines human progress. Up until now religion has had a special unquestionable status, and that's wrong. Humanity can't live in ideological stasis. It's fundamentalism and dogmatism which holds us back. We don't have to throw the baby out with the bath water, but we do need to develop the emotional maturity as a species to acknowledge ideological weakness and root it out. If people aren't willing to do that then they are not really seeking spiritual truth, but subservience.

    Freedom comes from the heart. If you can really love unconditionally, then the answer to "religious freedom" is obvious. And AFAIK, most religions textually state that it's up to God and not humans to judge one another, so we should be letting go of that bad habit anyway.
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    Re: Is religious freedom actually possible

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Religion hinders critical thinking and knowledge. Thus it enslaves the mind to the same old written nonsense in their "holy" books.

    Hence "religious freedom" is an oxymoron.
    Balderdash, poppycock, rubbish and above all, phooey...

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    Re: Is religious freedom actually possible

    Our nation has to face reality.
    We have never had complete "religious and free from religion " freedom.
    Just try being an atheist.....as an example.....
    The problem is with the extremist/conservative....in my opinion....and my experience.....
    I voted "maybe".....if and when all learn tolerance and respect....

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