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    Re: Is religious freedom actually possible

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    What proof do you offer that the proposed community center with a mosque inside it that's actually 2 blocks away from the site of 9/11 is what you claim it is.

    I'll wait.
    The Islamist in charge was offered free property to build it elsewhere and refused.

    You are now free to move about the cabin.
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    Re: Is religious freedom actually possible

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    The Islamist in charge was offered free property to build it elsewhere and refused.

    You are now free to move about the cabin.
    So you got nothing?

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    Re: Is religious freedom actually possible

    I said no because there simply are some religious beliefs that would insist on trampling on the rights of others or even doing actual harm to others. For instance, some religious beliefs rely on animal or even human sacrifices (rare in modern times, but still likely found somewhere in the world). Others hold strong beliefs about how to right wrongs or to please their god that involve killing "offenders", even without trial or any state involvement. Then there are those that aren't that extreme but still feel that it is part of their religious views to force others to comply to their beliefs otherwise they are failing God or whatever higher power they believe in and could face punishment as well. These beliefs cannot be tolerated however in a society that values the freedom of all, not just those who hold those mentioned beliefs. It becomes a conflict between whose rights/freedoms are more important and since we must go with what is most provable, most fair, allowing religious beliefs of any kind to prevail over other people's freedoms just because they are religious beliefs, even of a majority, means loss of freedom to others.

    Very few who try to push their beliefs about same sex marriage being bad or wrong or even homosexuality being bad or wrong would want someone else's beliefs to have some power over their lives or their choices if they were not in the group that held that majority beliefs, especially not living in a country that claims to value the freedom and rights of all people, not just those of the majority religion.
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    Re: Is religious freedom actually possible

    Quote Originally Posted by JJB3333 View Post
    So ive done some thinking in the time since i last created a thread and this is one of the questions that has come up in my mind often. Now many of you will say yes and not bother to read this and others of you will say no and still not read this. So here is what i am going to do. im going to keep typing and hope someone bothers to read this.

    So lets start off with an example. Personally im a supporter of gay/lesbian/bi rights, but consider how many religions exist out there that condemn homosexuality. And no this is not just rapping on Christianity. People groups in Islam,Judaism, im pretty sure Hinduism and Buddhism too, all put it down. And yet, if the gay rights activists are to be believed, then being gay/lesbian/bi is not a choice but a way of life chosen for them like being strait or homophobic is for the rest of us. Now, if all of those religions say put it down, and the government and the rest of the world is saying go screw your religion and let it happen, is religious freedom actually happening?

    Again, i personally support gay rights, but i also believe in Christ as my savior. So if someone could clear it up for me without becoming a heated debate over why everyone hates me for bringing this up, it would be much obliged
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    You need to read the 1st Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

    Your religious freedom does not give you the right to tell consenting adults what to do and not do in their bedrooms.

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    Re: Is religious freedom actually possible

    Quote Originally Posted by JJB3333 View Post
    So ive done some thinking in the time since i last created a thread and this is one of the questions that has come up in my mind often. Now many of you will say yes and not bother to read this and others of you will say no and still not read this. So here is what i am going to do. im going to keep typing and hope someone bothers to read this.

    So lets start off with an example. Personally im a supporter of gay/lesbian/bi rights, but consider how many religions exist out there that condemn homosexuality. And no this is not just rapping on Christianity. People groups in Islam,Judaism, im pretty sure Hinduism and Buddhism too, all put it down. And yet, if the gay rights activists are to be believed, then being gay/lesbian/bi is not a choice but a way of life chosen for them like being strait or homophobic is for the rest of us. Now, if all of those religions say put it down, and the government and the rest of the world is saying go screw your religion and let it happen, is religious freedom actually happening?

    Again, i personally support gay rights, but i also believe in Christ as my savior. So if someone could clear it up for me without becoming a heated debate over why everyone hates me for bringing this up, it would be much obliged.
    Sadly I don't believe it is. I see this administration under Obama turning away from religion and capitalism to socialism and that scares the hell out of me.
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    Re: Is religious freedom actually possible

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Sadly I don't believe it is. I see this administration under Obama turning away from religion
    Well that's good!

    and capitalism to socialism and that scares the hell out of me.
    That's not.
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    Re: Is religious freedom actually possible

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Sadly I don't believe it is. I see this administration under Obama turning away from religion and capitalism to socialism and that scares the hell out of me.
    Religion would be strengthened if people kept it to themselves and out of the government.

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    Re: Is religious freedom actually possible

    Quote Originally Posted by JJB3333 View Post
    So ive done some thinking in the time since i last created a thread and this is one of the questions that has come up in my mind often. Now many of you will say yes and not bother to read this and others of you will say no and still not read this. So here is what i am going to do. im going to keep typing and hope someone bothers to read this.

    So lets start off with an example. Personally im a supporter of gay/lesbian/bi rights, but consider how many religions exist out there that condemn homosexuality. And no this is not just rapping on Christianity. People groups in Islam,Judaism, im pretty sure Hinduism and Buddhism too, all put it down. And yet, if the gay rights activists are to be believed, then being gay/lesbian/bi is not a choice but a way of life chosen for them like being strait or homophobic is for the rest of us. Now, if all of those religions say put it down, and the government and the rest of the world is saying go screw your religion and let it happen, is religious freedom actually happening?

    Again, i personally support gay rights, but i also believe in Christ as my savior. So if someone could clear it up for me without becoming a heated debate over why everyone hates me for bringing this up, it would be much obliged.
    If you accept Christ as your savior than act Christ-like. Do not discriminate or oppress. Embrace those different from you with Love, Understanding, and Prayer. Rejecting this truth is the same as rejecting Christ.

    It is unfortunate, but the majority of current world religions need to be destroyed. They divide, discriminate, and inspire hatred. Do you not see the sign for what they will bring about?

    Being homophobic is not natural. It is an irrational fear. If you continue in your current mindset, you Will meet Lucifer at the Gates of Hell. Is thinking like a normal compassionate-loving-christ-like entity really so difficult? Go re-develop your empathy and reject the fear/hatred/cowardice instilled within you. Embrace mediation for now.
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    Re: Is religious freedom actually possible

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    That's what Muslims do at a site where they murdered 1000s of people. Build a victory mosque.
    um who among them murdered any one? who among them celebrates the 9 11 attacks?

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