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    Re: Is religious freedom actually possible

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric7216 View Post
    We discriminate for many other reason such as height, weight, speech impediments, and many other reasons that have not yet found their way into laws and protected classes...
    I know of at least one city that prohibits weight/obesity based discrimination. Discrimination based on height and speech impediments could be considered a violation of disability rights and actionable. The designation of protected classes is based on history, the reason why some groups (for example tall people) are not specifically protected is that they have not suffered much discrimination. However, the anti-discrimination laws protect members of majority groups as well as minorities. As seen in apartheid South Africa, majorities can be the target for discrimination, not just minorities.

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    Re: Is religious freedom actually possible

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    You are so right. Every time I hear "people have changed" I remember Alan Greenspan in the days before the Bank deregulation in 2000. He went on and on about how those old laws were not needed and bankers would NEVER behave like they did in the 1920's. 7 years later the entire financial system collapsed much like it did way back when. Will we never learn?
    So you're blaming deregulation?
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    Re: Is religious freedom actually possible

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    I know of at least one city that prohibits weight/obesity based discrimination. Discrimination based on height and speech impediments could be considered a violation of disability rights and actionable. The designation of protected classes is based on history, the reason why some groups (for example tall people) are not specifically protected is that they have not suffered much discrimination. However, the anti-discrimination laws protect members of majority groups as well as minorities. As seen in apartheid South Africa, majorities can be the target for discrimination, not just minorities.
    This is a different subject than religious freedom.
    But it is sad that by focusing on historical discrimination we are going in precisely the opposite direction that we should be going. By so doing we are doing the opposite of MLK Jr's admonishing to judge not by the color of your skin but the contend of your heart. Bigots assume that all people in a ethnic group were the same and shared an undesirable quality. By focusing on historic discrimination we are doing the same thing, ignoring all the differences within some racial/ethnic group. An African American may be the victim of racial discrimination or a recent Ibo immigrant from Nigeria where he benefitted from a favored status and discriminated against others. White is an extremely large group and includes the two largest groups ancestry groups of US citizens, German and Irish, both of whom, despite plurality status, faced discrimination. The Mancusean logic of favoring one ethnic group over another due to past discrimination will only led to some future grievances. In the 1960's I understood that there was discrimination and this was wrong. Now the belief seems to be, no, it is right to discriminate as long as you discriminate against the right people.

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    Re: Is religious freedom actually possible

    Quote Originally Posted by d0gbreath View Post
    I have had freedom of religion so far in my life. As a follower of Rev. Martin Luther I am not required to witness, and I very rarely do. If I did I would mention that the passage "It is an abomination unto God to lie with a man as you would lie with a woman", is obviously directed at heterosexual men. A homosexual man would never lie with a woman, so they are not the intended audience.

    Study the ancient Greeks, Plato, Socrates etc.

    You will find that that Bible passage was needed to keep heterosexual men from wasting seed with other men. I'm sorry to say it was a very common practice back then.
    "wasting seed" I don't get that. Men produce a lot of seed all the time, more than most of us will ever need.

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    Re: Is religious freedom actually possible

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post



    So what do you say to those christian tea partiers that wanted to stop Muslims from building a Mosque?
    That's what Muslims do at a site where they murdered 1000s of people. Build a victory mosque.
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    Re: Is religious freedom actually possible

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    That's what Muslims do at a site where they murdered 1000s of people. Build a victory mosque.
    You can continue this lie if you wish, but this issue was put to bed a long time before you joined this site.

    And actually I was referring to this one:

    Islamic Center of Murfreesboro: After Long Fight, Opening Day For Tennessee Mosque

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    Re: Is religious freedom actually possible

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    You can continue this lie if you wish, but this issue was put to bed a long time before you joined this site.

    And actually I was referring to this one:

    Islamic Center of Murfreesboro: After Long Fight, Opening Day For Tennessee Mosque
    It not settled now.

    Conversion of non-Muslim places of worship into mosques - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Re: Is religious freedom actually possible

    Religious freedom in the manner you are talking about is easily achieved but people won't let it. The country, the government and any entity that wishes can support gay marriage without the consent of the church. At the same time any specific church should be allowed to refuse to to marry anyone they wish on any grounds they wish. The problem I see with all this is churches (meaning all religions) don't want gays married at all. And gays want to be allowed to be married anywhere. The solution is pretty simple. Let each "center" who is legally allowed to perform marriage choose who they marry and the states/governments respect that.
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    Re: Is religious freedom actually possible

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Religious freedom in the manner you are talking about is easily achieved but people won't let it. The country, the government and any entity that wishes can support gay marriage without the consent of the church. At the same time any specific church should be allowed to refuse to to marry anyone they wish on any grounds they wish. The problem I see with all this is churches (meaning all religions) don't want gays married at all. And gays want to be allowed to be married anywhere. The solution is pretty simple. Let each "center" who is legally allowed to perform marriage choose who they marry and the states/governments respect that.
    No, gays can not force any church to marry them. No one can force any church to marry them. Churches are allowed to discriminate in any way they choose, there was even a church a couple of years ago that refused to marry a heterosexual couple because they were black. Churches refuse to marry couple where one or both have been divorced, or are of different religions, or even interracial couples.
    Gays just want the right to get a legal civil marriage.
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    Re: Is religious freedom actually possible

    What proof do you offer that the proposed community center with a mosque inside it that's actually 2 blocks away from the site of 9/11 is what you claim it is.

    I'll wait.

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