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Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights? [W:85]

Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?


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Currently these laws protect our equal rights against illegal discrimination based on [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]race, color, religion, sex, national origin, disability, genetic information, or age on a national level[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]on many state, county and most major city levels it also protects sexual orientation[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Couldnt find a poll about these laws in general, most seem to focus on sexual orientation and the ENDA Bill because those are recent hot topics.

Polling shows that about 73% approve of these laws and the addition of sexual orientation


[/FONT]https://www.hrc.org/blog/entry/poll-record-percentage-of-americans-support-non-discrimination-laws
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[/FONT]According to a poll conducted by the Public Religion Research Institute, roughly three-quarters of Americans, 73 percent, favor laws that would protect gay and lesbian people from employment discrimination, versus the 22 percent who are opposed.On the religious spectrum, a majority of every major religious group favor employment discrimination protections for gay and lesbian people, including white evangelical Protestants (59%), minority Protestants (61%), white mainline Protestants (75%), Catholics (76%), and religiously unaffiliated Americans (84%).This news comes as Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee Chairman Tom Harkin prepares to move forward with consideration of the Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA) in Congress. The bill would prohibit workplace discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity across the country.

Fairness and equal treatment under the law are foundational American values and it is not surprising that majority of Republicans, independents, and Democrats favor this policy. Eight-in-ten Democrats (80%), three-quarters (75%) of independents, and 6-in-10 (60%) Republicans favor laws that would protect gay and lesbian people against job discrimination"

more proof the majority support equal rights/equality and even the majority of religious people which i often point out when people unfairly group them together and say they dont.

other polls, i'll look for more that is an in general poll
http://images.politico.com/global/2013/09/29/enda_poll_2013-09-08_natl_memo.html
Polling Shows Strong Support for ENDA | Freedom to Work

So its a simple question

Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

yes
no
other: explain
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

**** stirring?
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

Can you fully explain what qualifies as "gender identity"? If one prefers not to be considered as a male, say for say purposes of getting gov't contract preferences for their "minority" owned business, must that self designation be honored? The only problem that I have with these "non-discrimination" laws is when they mandate "remedies" such as different physical standards, like the US military based on age/gender. I have no objection to equal treatment but not to making "accommodations" that differ based on mandates to be "more inclusive".
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

Currently these laws protect our equal rights against illegal discrimination based on [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]race, color, religion, sex, national origin, disability, genetic information, or age on a national level[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]on many state, county and most major city levels it also protects sexual orientation[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Couldnt find a poll about these laws in general, most seem to focus on sexual orientation and the ENDA Bill because those are recent hot topics.

Polling shows that about 73% approve of these laws and the addition of sexual orientation


[/FONT]https://www.hrc.org/blog/entry/poll-record-percentage-of-americans-support-non-discrimination-laws
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
"
[/FONT]According to a poll conducted by the Public Religion Research Institute, roughly three-quarters of Americans, 73 percent, favor laws that would protect gay and lesbian people from employment discrimination, versus the 22 percent who are opposed.On the religious spectrum, a majority of every major religious group favor employment discrimination protections for gay and lesbian people, including white evangelical Protestants (59%), minority Protestants (61%), white mainline Protestants (75%), Catholics (76%), and religiously unaffiliated Americans (84%).This news comes as Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee Chairman Tom Harkin prepares to move forward with consideration of the Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA) in Congress. The bill would prohibit workplace discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity across the country.

Fairness and equal treatment under the law are foundational American values and it is not surprising that majority of Republicans, independents, and Democrats favor this policy. Eight-in-ten Democrats (80%), three-quarters (75%) of independents, and 6-in-10 (60%) Republicans favor laws that would protect gay and lesbian people against job discrimination"

more proof the majority support equal rights/equality and even the majority of religious people which i often point out when people unfairly group them together and say they dont.

other polls, i'll look for more that is an in general poll
http://images.politico.com/global/2013/09/29/enda_poll_2013-09-08_natl_memo.html
Polling Shows Strong Support for ENDA | Freedom to Work

So its a simple question

Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?






yes
no
other: explain






I absolutely support non-discrimination laws which protect every human being's right to be treated fairly.

Anyone who thinks (Wishes, hopes, dreams.) that the haters will ever win in the USA will be disappointed.

Anyone who is opposed to equal rights for all will be disappointed, because the majority of Americans are opposed to hate-based ideas.

Don't take my word for this, just wait and see.



"Tolerance is giving to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself." ~ Robert Green Ingersoll
 
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Or he may just want to see how representative we are of the mainstream.

correct

the reality is i wanted to know want people felt about non-discrimination laws but could only find polls based on them and the addition of sexual orientation

then once i looked at them I was shocked that it was as high as it is. And that i could confirm it by other polls. Many have it at 68 and 73%, some have it as low as 59%

but i still found that surprising since the highest polls for equal rights for gays have been 58%. Seemed odd to me. BUT thats a different topic and i dont want to derail this thread.

For now i just want to know who supports non-discrimination laws and equal rights.
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

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A couple of things I disagree with.

First...

Currently these laws protect our equal rights against illegal discrimination...

Kind of circular logic there which appears to try to elicit an emotional response. When laws are written to make an action against the law then of course they are illegal. In terms of rights there is a conflict of "rights" you assume that one individual has a right to the services and property of another private entity (to be distinguished from governmental entities). However to usurp the rights of individual private business owners their right to manage their own rights of property and freedoms of association are violated when forced to provide goods and services they don't want to provide under penalty of law.


Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

yes
no
other: explain[/FONT][/COLOR]


We used to have:

1. Areas of the country where black people couldn't rent a room for the night when traveling.

2. Areas of the country where black people traveling couldn't buy gas from white station owners.

3. Areas of the country where blacks couldn't eat unless they could find a black's only food establishment.

4. And we had systematic discrimination against minorities in terms of how government functioned, such as segregated mass transit (buses, trains, etc.), schools, law enforcement, etc.​


In those days such things were commonplace, but society has changed in the last 50 years and changed a lot. There has been a "corporatisation" where you can't spit without finding a company gas station, movie theater, restaurateur, motel/hotel, etc. Just because we repeal Public Accommodation laws, doesn't mean that things are going to go back to the way they were 2 generations ago. And there are a number of factors that impact this:

1. We are much more mobile society. People routinely travel in a manner unprecedented then, both temporary and "permanent" relocation's out of the area they grew up in.

2. We are more informed society and information is much more available today about how a business conducts it self in term so taking care of customers we have Criag's list, Angie's list, Yelp, and a plethora of hotel, restaurant, and review sites for any type of business and it's not just the discriminated against who would choose not to associate with such a business. It includes many in the majority that would shy away from such businesses.

3. The "corporatisation" of businesses in America watches the bottom line and having your "brand name" associated with and appearing to condone discrimination has a negative impact on the bottom line. With corporate owned "shops" and franchises who still fall under policies of the home office means that these businesses will not allow or condone what was going on prior to the 60's.​


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So the question becomes the balance of the rights of the private business owner to manage their private property according to their desires as compared to the desires of others to have access to that private business. With the widespread discrimination 2-generations ago there may have been justification to say the rights of the property owner needed to be usurped - on a temporary basis - but those times are pretty much gone. The balance was greatly tilted toward discrimination.

But in general the widespread issues from 50 years ago have been resolved by fundamental shifts in society. Sure there will be isolated instances, that the price of liberty and dealing with your own issues. A burger joint says - I won't serve a black? OK, walk across the street to Applebee's. A photographer doesn't want to shoot a same-sex wedding? OK, Google or Angie's List other photographers in the area.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all FOR keeping Public Accommodation laws in force in terms of the functioning of government but that is because citizens have an inherent right to equal treatment by the government. There is no such right to equal treatment by other individuals.


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There is a newer movement afoot, to allow people to discriminate based on religious bias. In other words if a person claims their motivation to discriminate was based on religion - then they get special treatment and are exempt from anti-discrimination laws.

I don't support such measures, I think Public Accommodation laws in general should be repealed as they apply to private business entities.



>>>>
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

**** stirring?

If this is **** stirring, then the whole board is **** stirring...
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

Currently these laws protect our equal rights against illegal discrimination based on [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]race, color, religion, sex, national origin, disability, genetic information, or age on a national level[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]on many state, county and most major city levels it also protects sexual orientation[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Couldnt find a poll about these laws in general, most seem to focus on sexual orientation and the ENDA Bill because those are recent hot topics.

Polling shows that about 73% approve of these laws and the addition of sexual orientation


[/FONT]https://www.hrc.org/blog/entry/poll-record-percentage-of-americans-support-non-discrimination-laws
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
"
[/FONT]According to a poll conducted by the Public Religion Research Institute, roughly three-quarters of Americans, 73 percent, favor laws that would protect gay and lesbian people from employment discrimination, versus the 22 percent who are opposed.On the religious spectrum, a majority of every major religious group favor employment discrimination protections for gay and lesbian people, including white evangelical Protestants (59%), minority Protestants (61%), white mainline Protestants (75%), Catholics (76%), and religiously unaffiliated Americans (84%).This news comes as Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee Chairman Tom Harkin prepares to move forward with consideration of the Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA) in Congress. The bill would prohibit workplace discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity across the country.

Fairness and equal treatment under the law are foundational American values and it is not surprising that majority of Republicans, independents, and Democrats favor this policy. Eight-in-ten Democrats (80%), three-quarters (75%) of independents, and 6-in-10 (60%) Republicans favor laws that would protect gay and lesbian people against job discrimination"

more proof the majority support equal rights/equality and even the majority of religious people which i often point out when people unfairly group them together and say they dont.

other polls, i'll look for more that is an in general poll
http://images.politico.com/global/2013/09/29/enda_poll_2013-09-08_natl_memo.html
Polling Shows Strong Support for ENDA | Freedom to Work

So its a simple question

Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

yes
no
other: explain

Just a personal note. I believe in non discrimination, but I avoid fast food restaurants with homosexuals servers. I worry about AIDS and spit in food, etc. A minimal worry statistically but a real worry.
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

Just a personal note. I believe in non discrimination, but I avoid fast food restaurants with homosexuals servers. I worry about AIDS and spit in food, etc. A minimal worry statistically but a real worry.

Leaving aside the painful ignorance of HIV/AIDS and risk factors...how the **** do you tell who is a homosexual server?
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

1.)Can you fully explain what qualifies as "gender identity"?
2.) If one prefers not to be considered as a male, say for say purposes of getting gov't contract preferences for their "minority" owned business, must that self designation be honored?
3.) The only problem that I have with these "non-discrimination" laws is when they mandate "remedies" such as different physical standards, like the US military based on age/gender.
4.)I have no objection to equal treatment but not to making "accommodations" that differ based on mandates to be "more inclusive".

1.)can "I"? no not really and its not for me to explain the medical community explains it both medical/psychological
2.) they would have to be LEGALLY considered a female until then they are a male. This has nothing to do with the law about discrimination.

Now having said that if they are diagnosed with gender identity issues then they can be discriminated against because of that

3.) again this has nothing to do with the law
nothing wrong with different standards as long as the job can be completed IMO, now if it effects job performance then i agree 100%
4.) same as 3


but again you would have to look that stuff up yourself
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

Just a personal note. I believe in non discrimination, but I avoid fast food restaurants with homosexuals servers. I worry about AIDS and spit in food, etc. A minimal worry statistically but a real worry.

lol thank you for proving how severely uneducated some people are on these topics
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

correct

the reality is i wanted to know want people felt about non-discrimination laws but could only find polls based on them and the addition of sexual orientation

then once i looked at them I was shocked that it was as high as it is. And that i could confirm it by other polls. Many have it at 68 and 73%, some have it as low as 59%

but i still found that surprising since the highest polls for equal rights for gays have been 58%. Seemed odd to me. BUT thats a different topic and i dont want to derail this thread.

For now i just want to know who supports non-discrimination laws and equal rights.

I don't find it surprising at all. I tend to think that when it comes to issues revolving around what some see as morality concepts, a good many people can separate their personal beliefs from the legal aspects of protection of individual rights, and they favor equality under the law.
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

>


1.)Kind of circular logic there which appears to try to elicit an emotional response. When laws are written to make an action against the law then of course they are illegal. In terms of rights there is a conflict of "rights" you assume that one individual has a right to the services and property of another private entity (to be distinguished from governmental entities). However to usurp the rights of individual private business owners their right to manage their own rights of property and freedoms of association are violated when forced to provide goods and services they don't want to provide under penalty of law.





2.) We used to have:

1. Areas of the country where black people couldn't rent a room for the night when traveling.

2. Areas of the country where black people traveling couldn't buy gas from white station owners.

3. Areas of the country where blacks couldn't eat unless they could find a black's only food establishment.

4. And we had systematic discrimination against minorities in terms of how government functioned, such as segregated mass transit (buses, trains, etc.), schools, law enforcement, etc.​


In those days such things were commonplace, but society has changed in the last 50 years and changed a lot. There has been a "corporatisation" where you can't spit without finding a company gas station, movie theater, restaurateur, motel/hotel, etc. Just because we repeal Public Accommodation laws, doesn't mean that things are going to go back to the way they were 2 generations ago. And there are a number of factors that impact this:

1. We are much more mobile society. People routinely travel in a manner unprecedented then, both temporary and "permanent" relocation's out of the area they grew up in.

2. We are more informed society and information is much more available today about how a business conducts it self in term so taking care of customers we have Criag's list, Angie's list, Yelp, and a plethora of hotel, restaurant, and review sites for any type of business and it's not just the discriminated against who would choose not to associate with such a business. It includes many in the majority that would shy away from such businesses.

3. The "corporatisation" of businesses in America watches the bottom line and having your "brand name" associated with and appearing to condone discrimination has a negative impact on the bottom line. With corporate owned "shops" and franchises who still fall under policies of the home office means that these businesses will not allow or condone what was going on prior to the 60's.​


**************************************************


3.) So the question becomes the balance of the rights of the private business owner to manage their private property according to their desires as compared to the desires of others to have access to that private business. With the widespread discrimination 2-generations ago there may have been justification to say the rights of the property owner needed to be usurped - on a temporary basis - but those times are pretty much gone. The balance was greatly tilted toward discrimination.

But in general the widespread issues from 50 years ago have been resolved by fundamental shifts in society. Sure there will be isolated instances, that the price of liberty and dealing with your own issues. A burger joint says - I won't serve a black? OK, walk across the street to Applebee's. A photographer doesn't want to shoot a same-sex wedding? OK, Google or Angie's List other photographers in the area.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all FOR keeping Public Accommodation laws in force in terms of the functioning of government but that is because citizens have an inherent right to equal treatment by the government. There is no such right to equal treatment by other individuals.


**************************************************

4.)There is a newer movement afoot, to allow people to discriminate based on religious bias. In other words if a person claims their motivation to discriminate was based on religion - then they get special treatment and are exempt from anti-discrimination laws.

I don't support such measures, I think Public Accommodation laws in general should be repealed as they apply to private business entities.



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1.) can only go by how the law is written, theres no attempt for emotion its the verbiage of the laws and polls and articles concerning these issues.
"I" personally dont assume anything i go by the law and how rights take precedence.

2.) i never suggested anywhere that everything would magically convert back but it still exists today so id rather have our rights being protected, not has often as then but still common

3.) again its still to common for civility IMO so i want our rights protected.

I mean how long have we gone without hearing about discrimination like this, REAL cases also not just claims? a month? 6 months? a year?

still way to much

4.) i would never support that crap and i say that as a christian, religion was tried to be used before to discriminate and it failed because it was stupid reasons then and the same remains true today
 
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I support no discrimination.

No discrimination based on gender, race, religion, political views, etc from a govt standpoint. However... this means both positive and negative discrimination. Positive discrimination is just as bad as negative discrimination. Egalitarian society = no discrimination of any kind.
 
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lol thank you for proving how severely uneducated some people are on these topics

Non discrimination applies ONLY to your perspective on how the govt should operate i.e. how laws should be made and how govt institutions should function.
It doesn't extend to what peoples' personal preferences are and one can never be too careful in regards to his own personal well-being and health especially regarding an incurable disease. The government can't get AIDS, a person can.

The one thing Dave is wrong on is not that he avoids fast food places with gay servers, is that he goes to fast food places to begin with. That's where he's wrong.
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

I don't find it surprising at all. I tend to think that when it comes to issues revolving around what some see as morality concepts, a good many people can separate their personal beliefs from the legal aspects of protection of individual rights, and they favor equality under the law.

well see that i agree with but thats EXACTLY my point

why is support for non-discrimination to work, get hired and equality under the law so high but for marriage so much lower? why do so many obviously view them different when they are the same

that was my point

I do agree with you though most people can separate thier feelings at least sound mind honest adults
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

Non discrimination applies ONLY to your perspective on how the govt should operate i.e. how laws should be made and how govt institutions should function.
It doesn't extend to what peoples' personal preferences are and one can never be too careful in regards to his own personal well-being and health especially regarding an incurable disease. The government can't get AIDS, a person can.

The one thing Dave is wrong on is not that he avoids fast food places with gay servers, is that he goes to fast food places to begin with. That's where he's wrong.

i have no idea how any of that has anything to do with my post lol
 
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well see that i agree with but thats EXACTLY my point

why is support for non-discrimination to work, get hired and equality under the law so high but for marriage so much lower? why do so many obviously view them different when they are the same
My guess is that it's probably because they don't view it as a legal issue, as much as a personal morality issue.
It gets cast into the relationshp bin, rather than the legality bin. When I have an intimate relationship with someone, the questions of law don't even occur to me.
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

This thread title seems a little vague to me.

If the question is strictly about work discrimination?

Then no, I do not support laws that allows the state to force private employers to hire and fire people as the state says.

These are private companies and they should - no matter how deplorable - be able to pay anyone whatever they wish and fire anyone for whatever reason they wish. Employees can quit for any reason...employers should be able to fire them for any reason.

Employers do not owe people jobs.

If the employees don't like working for some jerk that discriminates against them...then quit.

Thanks to the extensive welfare available in America, it's not like anyone needs to work to survive any more.
 
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My guess is that it's probably because they don't view it as a legal issue, as much as a personal morality issue.
It gets cast into the relationship bin, rather than the legality bin. When I have an intimate relationship with someone, the questions of law don't even occur to me.

but doesnt them wanting to forcible deny others make it a legal issue f for them?

see what im getting at ;)

I agree with your opinion by the way, i dont think about law when i have a girlfriend either but they obviously must, dont you think?

or atleast they think about law if YOU have a girlfriend lol

they want the law to force thier morality on you

just seems so silly and irrational to me
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

but doesnt them wanting to forcible deny others make it a legal issue f for them?

see what im getting at ;)

I agree with your opinion by the way, i dont think about law when i have a girlfriend either but they obviously must, dont you think?

or atleast they think about law if YOU have a girlfriend lol

they want the law to force thier morality on you

just seems so silly and irrational to me

Although I agree with what you're saying, relationships aren't typically built around rationality. ;)
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

1.)This thread title seems a little vague to me. If the question is strictly about work discrimination?
2.)Then no, I do not support laws that allows the state to force private employers to hire and fire people as they so choose.
3.)These are private companies and they should - no matter how deplorable - be able to pay anyone whatever they wish and fire anyone for whatever reason they wish.
4.)Employers do not owe people jobs.
5.)If the employees don't like working for some jerk that discriminates against them...then quit.
6.)Thanks to the extensive welfare available in America, it's not like anyone needs to work to survive any more.

1.) business in general
2.) you are confused thats not what those laws do
3.) they can do this as long as they dont break the law and infringe on rights
4.) correct and nothing in the OP suggest that
5.) yes they can do that and if the law is broken there are penalties life and reality arent always this easy
6.) meaningless opinion that reality proves false
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

Although I agree with what you're saying, relationships aren't typically built around rationality. ;)

100% agree

i like the saying that falling in love is the equivalent of acceptable insanity :)
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

I absolutely support non-discrimination laws which protect every human being's right to be treated fairly.
Except you have no such right to be free of discrimination or to be treated fairly. The state must do both of those, but your fellow citizens are under no such obligation. It is a tough concept for many to swallow, but I have the right to discriminate. You do not have the right to be free from discrimination.

Anyone who is opposed to equal rights for all will be disappointed, because the majority of Americans are opposed to hate-based ideas.
If our rights are equal, then you don't get to impose your standard of 'fairness' or tolerance upon anyone else. Unless you believe your 'goodness' trumps their 'badness.' The trouble is, if that is your standard then you don't believe in equal rights for all.
 
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