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    Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights? [W:85]

    Currently these laws protect our equal rights against illegal discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, national origin, disability, genetic information, or age on a national level
    on many state, county and most major city levels it also protects sexual orientation

    Couldnt find a poll about these laws in general, most seem to focus on sexual orientation and the ENDA Bill because those are recent hot topics.

    Polling shows that about 73% approve of these laws and the addition of sexual orientation


    https://www.hrc.org/blog/entry/poll-record-percentage-of-americans-support-non-discrimination-laws

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    According to a poll conducted by the Public Religion Research Institute, roughly three-quarters of Americans, 73 percent, favor laws that would protect gay and lesbian people from employment discrimination, versus the 22 percent who are opposed.On the religious spectrum, a majority of every major religious group favor employment discrimination protections for gay and lesbian people, including white evangelical Protestants (59%), minority Protestants (61%), white mainline Protestants (75%), Catholics (76%), and religiously unaffiliated Americans (84%).This news comes as Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee Chairman Tom Harkin prepares to move forward with consideration of the Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA) in Congress. The bill would prohibit workplace discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity across the country.

    Fairness and equal treatment under the law are foundational American values and it is not surprising that majority of Republicans, independents, and Democrats favor this policy. Eight-in-ten Democrats (80%), three-quarters (75%) of independents, and 6-in-10 (60%) Republicans favor laws that would protect gay and lesbian people against job discrimination"

    more proof the majority support equal rights/equality and even the majority of religious people which i often point out when people unfairly group them together and say they dont.

    other polls, i'll look for more that is an in general poll
    http://images.politico.com/global/20...natl_memo.html
    Polling Shows Strong Support for ENDA | Freedom to Work

    So its a simple question

    Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    **** stirring?

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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

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    **** stirring?
    Or he may just want to see how representative we are of the mainstream.
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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Can you fully explain what qualifies as "gender identity"? If one prefers not to be considered as a male, say for say purposes of getting gov't contract preferences for their "minority" owned business, must that self designation be honored? The only problem that I have with these "non-discrimination" laws is when they mandate "remedies" such as different physical standards, like the US military based on age/gender. I have no objection to equal treatment but not to making "accommodations" that differ based on mandates to be "more inclusive".
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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    Currently these laws protect our equal rights against illegal discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, national origin, disability, genetic information, or age on a national level
    on many state, county and most major city levels it also protects sexual orientation

    Couldnt find a poll about these laws in general, most seem to focus on sexual orientation and the ENDA Bill because those are recent hot topics.

    Polling shows that about 73% approve of these laws and the addition of sexual orientation


    https://www.hrc.org/blog/entry/poll-record-percentage-of-americans-support-non-discrimination-laws

    "
    According to a poll conducted by the Public Religion Research Institute, roughly three-quarters of Americans, 73 percent, favor laws that would protect gay and lesbian people from employment discrimination, versus the 22 percent who are opposed.On the religious spectrum, a majority of every major religious group favor employment discrimination protections for gay and lesbian people, including white evangelical Protestants (59%), minority Protestants (61%), white mainline Protestants (75%), Catholics (76%), and religiously unaffiliated Americans (84%).This news comes as Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee Chairman Tom Harkin prepares to move forward with consideration of the Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA) in Congress. The bill would prohibit workplace discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity across the country.

    [COLOR=#666666]Fairness and equal treatment under the law are foundational American values and it is not surprising that majority of Republicans, independents, and Democrats favor this policy. Eight-in-ten Democrats (80%), three-quarters (75%) of independents, and 6-in-10 (60%) Republicans favor laws that would protect gay and lesbian people against job discrimination"

    more proof the majority support equal rights/equality and even the majority of religious people which i often point out when people unfairly group them together and say they dont.

    other polls, i'll look for more that is an in general poll
    http://images.politico.com/global/20...natl_memo.html
    Polling Shows Strong Support for ENDA | Freedom to Work

    So its a simple question

    Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?




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    other: explain




    I absolutely support non-discrimination laws which protect every human being's right to be treated fairly.

    Anyone who thinks (Wishes, hopes, dreams.) that the haters will ever win in the USA will be disappointed.

    Anyone who is opposed to equal rights for all will be disappointed, because the majority of Americans are opposed to hate-based ideas.

    Don't take my word for this, just wait and see.



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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Or he may just want to see how representative we are of the mainstream.
    correct

    the reality is i wanted to know want people felt about non-discrimination laws but could only find polls based on them and the addition of sexual orientation

    then once i looked at them I was shocked that it was as high as it is. And that i could confirm it by other polls. Many have it at 68 and 73%, some have it as low as 59%

    but i still found that surprising since the highest polls for equal rights for gays have been 58%. Seemed odd to me. BUT thats a different topic and i dont want to derail this thread.

    For now i just want to know who supports non-discrimination laws and equal rights.
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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

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    A couple of things I disagree with.

    First...

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    Currently these laws protect our equal rights against illegal discrimination...
    Kind of circular logic there which appears to try to elicit an emotional response. When laws are written to make an action against the law then of course they are illegal. In terms of rights there is a conflict of "rights" you assume that one individual has a right to the services and property of another private entity (to be distinguished from governmental entities). However to usurp the rights of individual private business owners their right to manage their own rights of property and freedoms of association are violated when forced to provide goods and services they don't want to provide under penalty of law.


    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    yes
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    other: explain[/FONT][/COLOR]

    We used to have:

    1. Areas of the country where black people couldn't rent a room for the night when traveling.

    2. Areas of the country where black people traveling couldn't buy gas from white station owners.

    3. Areas of the country where blacks couldn't eat unless they could find a black's only food establishment.

    4. And we had systematic discrimination against minorities in terms of how government functioned, such as segregated mass transit (buses, trains, etc.), schools, law enforcement, etc.


    In those days such things were commonplace, but society has changed in the last 50 years and changed a lot. There has been a "corporatisation" where you can't spit without finding a company gas station, movie theater, restaurateur, motel/hotel, etc. Just because we repeal Public Accommodation laws, doesn't mean that things are going to go back to the way they were 2 generations ago. And there are a number of factors that impact this:

    1. We are much more mobile society. People routinely travel in a manner unprecedented then, both temporary and "permanent" relocation's out of the area they grew up in.

    2. We are more informed society and information is much more available today about how a business conducts it self in term so taking care of customers we have Criag's list, Angie's list, Yelp, and a plethora of hotel, restaurant, and review sites for any type of business and it's not just the discriminated against who would choose not to associate with such a business. It includes many in the majority that would shy away from such businesses.

    3. The "corporatisation" of businesses in America watches the bottom line and having your "brand name" associated with and appearing to condone discrimination has a negative impact on the bottom line. With corporate owned "shops" and franchises who still fall under policies of the home office means that these businesses will not allow or condone what was going on prior to the 60's.


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    So the question becomes the balance of the rights of the private business owner to manage their private property according to their desires as compared to the desires of others to have access to that private business. With the widespread discrimination 2-generations ago there may have been justification to say the rights of the property owner needed to be usurped - on a temporary basis - but those times are pretty much gone. The balance was greatly tilted toward discrimination.

    But in general the widespread issues from 50 years ago have been resolved by fundamental shifts in society. Sure there will be isolated instances, that the price of liberty and dealing with your own issues. A burger joint says - I won't serve a black? OK, walk across the street to Applebee's. A photographer doesn't want to shoot a same-sex wedding? OK, Google or Angie's List other photographers in the area.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm all FOR keeping Public Accommodation laws in force in terms of the functioning of government but that is because citizens have an inherent right to equal treatment by the government. There is no such right to equal treatment by other individuals.


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    There is a newer movement afoot, to allow people to discriminate based on religious bias. In other words if a person claims their motivation to discriminate was based on religion - then they get special treatment and are exempt from anti-discrimination laws.

    I don't support such measures, I think Public Accommodation laws in general should be repealed as they apply to private business entities.



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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

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    **** stirring?
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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    Currently these laws protect our equal rights against illegal discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, national origin, disability, genetic information, or age on a national level
    on many state, county and most major city levels it also protects sexual orientation

    Couldnt find a poll about these laws in general, most seem to focus on sexual orientation and the ENDA Bill because those are recent hot topics.

    Polling shows that about 73% approve of these laws and the addition of sexual orientation


    https://www.hrc.org/blog/entry/poll-record-percentage-of-americans-support-non-discrimination-laws

    "
    According to a poll conducted by the Public Religion Research Institute, roughly three-quarters of Americans, 73 percent, favor laws that would protect gay and lesbian people from employment discrimination, versus the 22 percent who are opposed.On the religious spectrum, a majority of every major religious group favor employment discrimination protections for gay and lesbian people, including white evangelical Protestants (59%), minority Protestants (61%), white mainline Protestants (75%), Catholics (76%), and religiously unaffiliated Americans (84%).This news comes as Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee Chairman Tom Harkin prepares to move forward with consideration of the Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA) in Congress. The bill would prohibit workplace discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity across the country.

    Fairness and equal treatment under the law are foundational American values and it is not surprising that majority of Republicans, independents, and Democrats favor this policy. Eight-in-ten Democrats (80%), three-quarters (75%) of independents, and 6-in-10 (60%) Republicans favor laws that would protect gay and lesbian people against job discrimination"

    more proof the majority support equal rights/equality and even the majority of religious people which i often point out when people unfairly group them together and say they dont.

    other polls, i'll look for more that is an in general poll
    http://images.politico.com/global/20...natl_memo.html
    Polling Shows Strong Support for ENDA | Freedom to Work

    So its a simple question

    Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    yes
    no
    other: explain
    Just a personal note. I believe in non discrimination, but I avoid fast food restaurants with homosexuals servers. I worry about AIDS and spit in food, etc. A minimal worry statistically but a real worry.

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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Just a personal note. I believe in non discrimination, but I avoid fast food restaurants with homosexuals servers. I worry about AIDS and spit in food, etc. A minimal worry statistically but a real worry.
    Leaving aside the painful ignorance of HIV/AIDS and risk factors...how the **** do you tell who is a homosexual server?
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