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Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights? [W:85]

Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

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Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

DaveFagan said:
Just a personal note. I believe in non discrimination, but I avoid fast food restaurants with homosexuals servers. I worry about AIDS and spit in food, etc. A minimal worry statistically but a real worry.
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Do I need to point out the amount of ignorance and stupidity contained within your post? No, of course not, because you wouldn't understand. Luckily, the day will come when people like you die out.

Discrimination is wrong. Nothing else to say.
 
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Fletch said:
Technically, the law doesn't force you to hire a specific person. It says you cant use certain criteria when hiring. In any discussion of rights however, that is a distinction without a difference since by right, the criteria you use when hiring belong to the person who owns the business. The trouble is too many people don't have the foggiest idea what rights truly are but merely ape what they have heard. No one has the right to be free from discrimination, so my discriminating against you for whatever reason, is not violating your rights. Its just that simple but it is a difficult concept to relay to simpletons.
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Nobody has the right to be free from discrimination? Wrong. Hence the reason we have anti-discrimination laws. The right to be free from discrimination is an obvious implication. Its just that simple but it is a difficult concept to relay to simpletons.
 
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Lord said:
Nobody has the right to be free from discrimination? Wrong. Hence the reason we have anti-discrimination laws. The right to be free from discrimination is an obvious implication. Its just that simple but it is a difficult concept to relay to simpletons.
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Well, give it your best shot.
 
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I support claiming that any form of Jim Crow is merely Socialism bailing out some Capitalists.
 
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Fletch said:
Congress doesn't determine what rights you have.

If that is what you believe, you look rather foolish attempting to discuss them in a serious light.
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Meanwhile back here in the real world, in the USA our legislators make laws that impact/determine our rights and the Supreme Court decides whether they are constitutional. If your business won't respect those laws they will be sued, fined or closed. That will happen even if someone's imaginary playmate or an 18th century philosopher told them that they have a particular right.
 
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Hard Truth said:
Meanwhile back here in the real world, in the USA our legislators make laws that impact/determine our rights and the Supreme Court decides whether they are constitutional. If your business won't respect those laws they will be sued, fined or closed. That will happen even if someone's imaginary playmate or an 18th century philosopher told them that they have a particular right.
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So people don't have ring to their property and labor?
 
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All rights have limits imposed by law.

When you have a business the government regulates where it can be located, the type of building you can use, the type of sign you display, how you can fire and hire people, the minimum wage, how you dispose of waste, and fire and other safety requirements. You are also required to document your income and expenses to pay your taxes and get deductions. If you have a restaurant, you will be inspected to make sure that the food is protected properly from spoilage and contamination, that the employees wash their hands and wear proper clothing and hair nets etc, that you have pests under control, provide access to the disabled, have accessible restrooms and much more.
 
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haymarket said:
You are talking circles and and doing so chasing your own tail.

The facts are pretty simple and painfully obviious:

1- you want to claim a right of association which would allow people to exercise behaviors that are discriminatory and bigoted and clearly against current US law.
2- because the US prohibits such behaviors - there is no right to exercise such behaviors that are discriminatory and bigoted.

This is called REALITY.

It matters NOT what you believe.
It matters NOT what you think should be.
It matters NOT how you define the right of association.
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again your stating a right to association does not exist, however it does........so again your wrong..

the right is being suppressed by governments.
 
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ernst barkmann said:
again your stating a right to association does not exist, however it does........so again your wrong..

the right is being suppressed by governments.
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You are engaging in circle nonsense talk with yourself.

The facts are pretty simple and painfully obviious:

1- you want to claim a right of association which would allow people to exercise behaviors that are discriminatory and bigoted and clearly against current US law.
2- because the US prohibits such behaviors - there is no right to exercise such behaviors that are discriminatory and bigoted.

This is called REALITY.
 
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DaveFagan said:
Just a personal note. I believe in non discrimination, but I avoid fast food restaurants with homosexuals servers. I worry about AIDS and spit in food, etc. A minimal worry statistically but a real worry.
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Do you worry about servers who don't wash their hands after using the restroom; how do you really know if a heterosexual isn't spreading e-coli into your Big Mac? Chances are much higher of you getting an infection from that type of a thing than from AIDS.

I'd wouldn't worry about getting AIDS from a food server unless you are being intimate with the food server. And even then you could still get a disease if you and the heterosexual food server you are with aren't being safe.

What you described is NOT a minimal worry, it is a non-existent worry. It fails all logical consideration in my opinion.
 
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Del Zeppnile said:
Do you worry about servers who don't wash their hands after using the restroom; how do you really know if a heterosexual isn't spreading e-coli into your Big Mac? Chances are much higher of you getting an infection from that type of a thing than from AIDS.

I'd wouldn't worry about getting AIDS from a food server unless you are being intimate with the food server. And even then you could still get a disease if you and the heterosexual food server you are with aren't being safe.

What you described is NOT a minimal worry, it is a non-existent worry. It fails all logical consideration in my opinion.
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There you have it. You can have my waiter and I'll just stick with my ignorance.
 
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haymarket said:
you are engaging in circle nonsense talk with yourself.

The facts are pretty simple and painfully obviious:

1- you want to claim a right of association which would allow people to exercise behaviors that are discriminatory and bigoted and clearly against current us law.
2- because the us prohibits such behaviors - there is no right to exercise such behaviors that are discriminatory and bigoted.

This is called reality.
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reality = not following the constitution
 
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I support faithful execution of our own laws regarding this labor issue.
 
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hard truth said:
all rights have limits imposed by law.

When you have a business the government regulates where it can be located, the type of building you can use, the type of sign you display, how you can fire and hire people, the minimum wage, how you dispose of waste, and fire and other safety requirements. You are also required to document your income and expenses to pay your taxes and get deductions. If you have a restaurant, you will be inspected to make sure that the food is protected properly from spoilage and contamination, that the employees wash their hands and wear proper clothing and hair nets etc, that you have pests under control, provide access to the disabled, have accessible restrooms and much more.
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please explain to me.....why the government should create a law on the people...........if that law, does not secure rights of the people, or protect the health and safety of the people.

Discrimination laws....do not secure rights, and they do not protect the health and safety of the people.

So why are discrimination laws created for?
 
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I believe it would not be necessary with recourse to unemployment compensation that clears our poverty guidelines, in order for Socialism to pick up that moral slack on the Peoples' dime, simply because it is unprofitable for Capitalism. That is what Socialism, Used for Goodness and not Badness, should always be good for.
 
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ernst barkmann said:
reality = not following the constitution
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only in your world Herr Barkmann.... only in your world. It much much different here in the real USA 2014.
 
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haymarket said:
only in your world Herr Barkmann.... only in your world. It much much different here in the real USA 2014.
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i know you hate the founders, and want to use the constitution for your own ends.......but your world of reality,. is coming to an end, when it runs out of money, and people see your way of government powers as a threat to them.
 
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danielpalos said:
I believe it would not be necessary with recourse to unemployment compensation that clears our poverty guidelines, in order for Socialism to pick up that moral slack on the Peoples' dime, simply because it is unprofitable for Capitalism. That is what Socialism, Used for Goodness and not Badness, should always be good for.
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the founders hated collectivism.......read federalist #63
 
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ernst barkmann said:
i know you hate the founders, and want to use the constitution for your own ends.......but your world of reality,. is coming to an end, when it runs out of money, and people see your way of government powers as a threat to them.
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Herr Barkmann - you already admitted that you advocated changes in USA law which would permit people to act legally on their bigotry and stuff they are now prohibited from legally doing would be okay to do. You pretty much went down with the Titanic over that policy and admission.
 
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ernst barkmann said:
the founders hated collectivism.......read federalist #63
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which makes you wonder where the very collectivist phrase WE THE PEOPLE came from? :roll::shock:


OH WAIT!!! That is from the US Constitution and not the Federalist papers. :lamo
 
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haymarket said:
Herr Barkmann - you already admitted that you advocated changes in USA law which would permit people to act legally on their bigotry and stuff they are now prohibited from legally doing would be okay to do. You pretty much went down with the Titanic over that policy and admission.
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act legally?......how can someone coming to me, and wanting [by force] material goods and services from me, be legal since no person has the power to apply force to another person to make that person do anything...

low form of intelligent statement made by you hay!
 
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haymarket said:
which makes you wonder where the very collectivist phrase WE THE PEOPLE came from? :roll::shock:


OH WAIT!!! That is from the US Constitution and not the Federalist papers. :lamo
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democratic form of government = collective

republican form of government = non collective


article. 4. section 4.... u.s. constitution

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened), against domestic Violence.
 
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ernst barkmann said:
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act legally?......how can someone coming to me, and wanting [by force] material goods and services from me, be legal since no person has the power to apply force to another person to make that person do anything...

low form of intelligent statement made by you hay!
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I have no idea what you even mean. You make no sense. You ignore the law and the power to enforce it while embracing your own standard which means nothing as to what is legal or not legal. Your silly statement is irrelevant not to mention just nonsensical in view of reality in the USA of 2014.

You were the one who advocated changing the laws so that people could legally act upon their bigotry. Nothing I said approaches the low intelligence of that license you would give to bigots.
 
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ernst barkmann said:
democratic form of government = collective

republican form of government = non collective


article. 4. section 4.... u.s. constitution

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened), against domestic Violence.
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So your copy of the Constitution does not contain the collectivist WE THE PEOPLE? :roll::mrgreen::lamo
 
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haymarket said:
So your copy of the Constitution does not contain the collectivist WE THE PEOPLE? :roll::mrgreen::lamo
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my copy states a republican form of government which is non collective, because the power is divided, ..collectivism, concentrates powers...it does not divide it.
 
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