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Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights? [W:85]

Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?


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Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

Except you have no such right to be free of discrimination or to be treated fairly. The state must do both of those, but your fellow citizens are under no such obligation. It is a tough concept for many to swallow, but I have the right to discriminate. You do not have the right to be free from discrimination.

If our rights are equal, then you don't get to impose your standard of 'fairness' or tolerance upon anyone else. Unless you believe your 'goodness' trumps their 'badness.' The trouble is, if that is your standard then you don't believe in equal rights for all.




Did I say one word about taking your rights away from you?

No, I did not.

If you can't deal with equal rights for every human being, maybe you're living in the wrong country.




"Tolerance is giving to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself." ~ Robert Green Ingersoll
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

The government should not be allowed to discriminate but IMO it is my right to discriminate. If I don't want a person working for me for whatever reason that should be my right, my freedom of choice.
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

Leaving aside the painful ignorance of HIV/AIDS and risk factors...how the **** do you tell who is a homosexual server?

you need to bait them with show tunes

 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

Except you have no such right to be free of discrimination or to be treated fairly. The state must do both of those, but your fellow citizens are under no such obligation. It is a tough concept for many to swallow, but I have the right to discriminate. You do not have the right to be free from discrimination.

2.)If our rights are equal, then you don't get to impose your standard of 'fairness' or tolerance upon anyone else. Unless you believe your 'goodness' trumps their 'badness.' The trouble is, if that is your standard then you don't believe in equal rights for all.

1.) you can discriminante all you want until it violates the rights of others. He never said he has the right to be free of discrimination, so that strawman fails
2.) another failed strawman his standards arent bein imposed on you lol

you are free to think, feel, teach, preach just about anything you want you just dont get to infringe on anybodys rights and vice versa
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

The government should not be allowed to discriminate but IMO it is my right to discriminate. If I don't want a person working for me for whatever reason that should be my right, my freedom of choice.

your rights end when the infringe on others
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

Exactly my point. You infringe on my rights when you force me to hire someone I don't want to hire.

then you point fails because that factually doesn't happen and you rights remain intact :shrug:
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

Exactly my point. You infringe on my rights when you force me to hire someone I don't want to hire.


Technically speaking the law doesn't force a business to hire anyone.

What the law does is say that you can't NOT hire someone based on specific criteria.

Let's take an example for private business. You have an accounting position open, you have multiple candidates and the best candidate is black, you can't refuse to hire him/her because he/she is black. On the other hand you have an accounting position and have multiple candidates, there are three candidates that you are considering: Jim (best qualified), John (next best qualified), and Joan (the daughter of your golfing buddy). You can hire Jim since he's the best qualified, you are not turning away John based on race. Or, you can hire Joan by giving your golfing buddy's daughter a preference - you are not turning John away because if his race.


EDIT: Forgot the "NOT".


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Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

then you point fails because that factually doesn't happen and you rights remain intact :shrug:


If you force me to hire a person who's life style offends me I lose my rights and that is what these so called anti discrimination laws do.
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

If you force me to hire a person who's life style offends me I lose my rights and that is what these so called anti discrimination laws do.
100% factually false

again no law does that, so your concern is meaningless and irrelevant
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

Did I say one word about taking your rights away from you?

No, I did not.

If you can't deal with equal rights for every human being, maybe you're living in the wrong country.
Then we agree. You support my right to discriminate.
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

Technically speaking the law doesn't force a business to hire anyone.

What the law does is say that you can't hire someone based on specific criteria.

Let's take an example for private business. You have an accounting position open, you have multiple candidates and the best candidate is black, you can't refuse to hire him/her because he/she is black. On the other hand you have an accounting position and have multiple candidates, there are three candidates that you are considering: Jim (best qualified), John (next best qualified), and Joan (the daughter of your golfing buddy). You can hire Jim since he's the best qualified, you are not turning away John based on race. Or, you can hire Joan by giving your golfing buddy's daughter a preference - you are not turning John away because if his race.


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Technically speaking-potatoe potato
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

Technically speaking-potatoe potato

and technically speaking your assessment of these laws was factually wrong
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

If you force me to hire a person who's life style offends me I lose my rights and that is what these so called anti discrimination laws do.
Technically, the law doesn't force you to hire a specific person. It says you cant use certain criteria when hiring. In any discussion of rights however, that is a distinction without a difference since by right, the criteria you use when hiring belong to the person who owns the business. The trouble is too many people don't have the foggiest idea what rights truly are but merely ape what they have heard. No one has the right to be free from discrimination, so my discriminating against you for whatever reason, is not violating your rights. Its just that simple but it is a difficult concept to relay to simpletons.
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

and technically speaking your assessment of these laws was factually wrong

So if a transvestite is the most qualified for a job and I say I won't hire him because he's a transvestite all is good?
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

So if a transvestite is the most qualified for a job and I say I won't hire him because he's a transvestite all is good?

theres no laws that protect transvestites from discrimination

thank you for further proving you are severely uneducated on this topic
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

Thanks, J, for the " other " option.....
Yes !
I do .....mainly....support equal rights....but ONLY if people are kind and sensitive.....
Many are not.....this may be a problem....
"Mainstream"
Ha!
Libertarians are Libert-stream ....LOL...
There is more, much more to life, than "rights" .
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

If this is **** stirring, then the whole board is **** stirring...

I've been around long enough to know the difference.

It's a setup so someone can tell you their beliefs are superior to your's.
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

I've been around long enough to know the difference.

It's a setup so someone can tell you their beliefs are superior to your's.

You mean like every other ****ing thread? Brilliant!
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

Just a personal note. I believe in non discrimination, but I avoid fast food restaurants with homosexuals servers. I worry about AIDS and spit in food, etc. A minimal worry statistically but a real worry.

But non-fast food restaurants with homosexual servers is acceptable? That's an oddly specific thing to focus on.
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

Just a personal note. I believe in non discrimination, but I avoid fast food restaurants with homosexuals servers. I worry about AIDS and spit in food, etc. A minimal worry statistically but a real worry.
And how on earth could you know that there are homosexual servers at a certain restaurant ?
Do you ask ?
Does the proprietor know ?
Or, should he know !
Some people are ignorant...and ignorance knows no lines....no colors...
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

theres no laws that protect transvestites from discrimination

thank you for further proving you are severely uneducated on this topic


Some interesting info on this topic and yes I will be the first to admit my knowledge on this subject is limited. It is your main interest but at the bottom of my list.


"The Senate passed a historic piece of gay rights legislation Thursday that would ban workplace discrimination against gay and transgender employees, another milestone victory for a gay rights movement that has been gaining favor in the courts and electoral politics.The 64 to 32 vote to approve the Employment Non-Discrimination Act marked the first time federal lawmakers had approved legislation to advance gay rights since repealing the military’s ban on gay men and lesbians in uniform in late 2010. Approval of the measure came two days after Illinois became the 15th state to legalize same-sex marriage and four months after the U.S. Supreme Court sanctioned federal recognition of legally married gay couples.But ENDA faces a steep uphill climb in a GOP-controlled House still dominated by social conservatives. House Speaker John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) and his lieutenants think the measure is too broad and is unnecessary; they think that the people ENDA is intended to protect are already covered under existing federal, state and private workplace protection laws.


Senate votes to ban discrimination against gay and transgender workers - The Washington Post
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

Then we agree. You support my right to discriminate.




Correct.

And the U.S. Government and the American people's right to make you pay a heavy price for that discrimination.




"Tolerance is giving to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself." ~ Robert Green Ingersoll
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

Except you have no such right to be free of discrimination or to be treated fairly. The state must do both of those, but your fellow citizens are under no such obligation. It is a tough concept for many to swallow, but I have the right to discriminate. You do not have the right to be free from discrimination.

If our rights are equal, then you don't get to impose your standard of 'fairness' or tolerance upon anyone else. Unless you believe your 'goodness' trumps their 'badness.' The trouble is, if that is your standard then you don't believe in equal rights for all.

This is going to take a "ton of explaining" !
Do you feel that it is OK for some to ignore a law if they disagree with it ?
By and large , "goodness" MUST trump "badness" .
 
Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

The premise of the thread is of course wrong. There is nothing about non-discrimination laws that protect rights.
 
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