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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    One cannot help but notice that your entire post was attacks and pompous pontifications of what you believe. it is supported by no verifiable source of evidence for your statements about a republic or a democracy.

    THE USA is a republic since the people elect others who run the government in their name and pass laws for them.

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    The USA is a Republic with a republican form of government. Your personal opinion of the 17th Amendment is irrelevant and did not change that reality. Yes, it moved the election of the Senate from the State legislatures to a vote of the citizenry. But the basic element of a republic form of government - the people represented by others - is still in effect and was not fundamentally changed by the 17th.


    your POSTING 458
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    {A republic is a form of government in which power is held by the people AND Representatives they elect,[1] and affairs of state are a "public matter" (from Latin: res publica), rather than privately accommodated (such as through inheritance or divine mandate). In modern times the definition of a republic is also commonly limited to a government which excludes a monarch.[2][1] Currently, 135 of the world's 206 sovereign states use the word "republic" as part of their official names.
    Both modern and ancient republics vary widely in their ideology and composition}


    POWER IS DIVIDED BETWEEN THE PEOPLE AND THEIR REPRESENTATIVES
    , MEANING THE LEGISLATURE OF STATES............THIS MAKES IT REPUBLICAN.

    UNDER DEMOCRACY THE POWER IS HELD BY ONLY BY THE PEOPLE, THRU THEIR REPRESENTATIVES.
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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Does a business owner have the right to select a representative to the public which represents his company in a non negative light. If that business owner doesn't want someone who looks like ZZ Top or Rupaul should they have the ability to avoid those people? Should a landlord be forced to rent to someone he believes will turn his property into a motorcycle clubhouse or an S&M parlor? Should an overtly religious baker be forced out of business because he's rather not bake a cake for a gay wedding?

    I think that we all discriminate. I'm not talking about discrimination based on how someone was born. I'm talking about discriminating based on how people act. I will never go to a rap concert. That doesn't mean I dislike blacks, I don't, and have friends and employees of many races and religions. I discriminate against rap music because I don't like it.

    That brings me to something written by John Derbyshire that I read long ago. Stereotypes are how we determine the safety of snakes and fauns and serve a useful purpose in society. The entire article should be read prior to comment.



    People ascribe a stereotype to everybody in the subject group. "All Germans are efficient." "All English people have bad teeth." In fact, these researchers were not able to locate anybody who believes that a stereotype is true of all members of the stereotyped group. Stereotypes are probabilistic tools, and even the most dull-witted human beings seem to know this. People who believe that Mexicans are lazy or that the French don't wash, understand perfectly well that there are lots of industrious Mexicans and fragrant Frenchmen.

    Stereotypes exaggerate group characteristics. No, they don't. Much more often, the opposite is true. For example, the racial stereotypes that white Americans hold of black Americans are generally accurate; and where they are inaccurate, they always under-estimate a negative characteristic. The percentage of black American families headed by a female, for example, was 21 at the time of one survey (1978): the whites whose stereotypes were being investigated offered estimates of from 8 to 12 per cent. It is not true that stereotypes generally exaggerate group differences. As in this example, they are much more likely to downplay them.

    Stereotypes blind us to individual characteristics. Nope. It is not the case that when we pass from a situation where we have nothing to go on but a stereotype (cab driver being hailed by young black male) to one where a person's individuality comes into play (interviewing a black job applicant), our stereotypes blind us to "individuating traits." On the contrary, researchers have found that the individuating traits are seized on for attention, and stereotypes discarded, with rather more enthusiasm than the accuracy of stereotypes would justify. Teachers' judgments about their students, for example, rest almost entirely on student differences in performance, hardly at all on race, class or gender stereotypes. This is as one would wish, but not as one would expect if the denigrators of stereotyping were to be believed.

    The real function of stereotypes is to bolster our own self-esteem. Wrong again. This is not a factor in most stereotyping. The scientific evidence is that the primary function of stereotypes is what researchers very prettily call "the reality function." That is, stereotypes are useful tools for dealing with the world. Confronted with a snake or a faun, our immediate behavior is determined by generalized beliefs stereotypes about snakes and fauns. Stereotypes are, in fact, merely one aspect of the mind's ability to make generalizations, without which science and mathematics, not to mention much of everyday life, would be impossible. Researcher Clark R. McCauley:

    Standing next to the bus driver, we are more likely to ask about traffic patterns than about the latest foreign film. On the highway, we try to squeeze into the exit lane in front of the man driving a 10-year-old station wagon rather than trying to pull in on the man driving a new Corvette. Looking for the school janitor, we are more likely to approach a young man in overalls than a young woman in overalls. This kind of discrimination on the basis of group differences can go wrong, but most of us probably feel that we are doing ourselves and others a favor when we respond to whatever cues and regularities our social environment affords us.
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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post

    your POSTING 458
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    {A republic is a form of government in which power is held by the people AND Representatives they elect,[1] and affairs of state are a "public matter" (from Latin: res publica), rather than privately accommodated (such as through inheritance or divine mandate). In modern times the definition of a republic is also commonly limited to a government which excludes a monarch.[2][1] Currently, 135 of the world's 206 sovereign states use the word "republic" as part of their official names.
    Both modern and ancient republics vary widely in their ideology and composition}


    POWER IS DIVIDED BETWEEN THE PEOPLE AND THEIR REPRESENTATIVES
    , MEANING THE LEGISLATURE OF STATES............THIS MAKES IT REPUBLICAN.

    UNDER DEMOCRACY THE POWER IS HELD BY ONLY BY THE PEOPLE, THRU THEIR REPRESENTATIVES.
    You just invented stuff out of whole cloth. That bit about "meaning the legislature of states" is stuff you pulled out of thin air and is intellectually dishonest in the extreme.

    The representatives of the people are anyone elected to represent the people. That could be a US Representative, a US Senator, a state Representative, a State Senator or even local people on a community level.

    You are guilty of inventing crap up just to fit your own straight jacket you want to place the term REPUBLIC into. Sorry - but you were caught.
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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You just invented stuff out of whole cloth. That bit about "meaning the legislature of states" is stuff you pulled out of thin air and is intellectually dishonest in the extreme.

    The representatives of the people are anyone elected to represent the people. That could be a US Representative, a US Senator, a state Representative, a State Senator or even local people on a community level.

    You are guilty of inventing crap up just to fit your own straight jacket you want to place the term REPUBLIC into. Sorry - but you were caught.
    oh, i have used your very on post!

    {A republic is a form of government in which power is held by the people AND Representatives they elect,[1] and affairs of state are a "public matter" (from Latin: res publica), rather than privately accommodated (such as through inheritance or divine mandate). In modern times the definition of a republic is also commonly limited to a government which excludes a monarch.[2][1] Currently, 135 of the world's 206 sovereign states use the word "republic" as part of their official names.
    Both modern and ancient republics vary widely in their ideology and composition}


    again power is divided between the people and the representatives they elect..........this makes it republican.................2 entities hold power

    democracy..power is held directly by the people, thru their representatives they elect...............this make it democratic..............................1 entity holds power
    Last edited by Master PO; 02-18-14 at 11:19 AM.

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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    oh, i have used your very on post!

    {A republic is a form of government in which power is held by the people AND Representatives they elect,[1] and affairs of state are a "public matter" (from Latin: res publica), rather than privately accommodated (such as through inheritance or divine mandate). In modern times the definition of a republic is also commonly limited to a government which excludes a monarch.[2][1] Currently, 135 of the world's 206 sovereign states use the word "republic" as part of their official names.
    Both modern and ancient republics vary widely in their ideology and composition}


    again power is divided between the people and the representatives they elect..........this makes it republican.................2 entities hold power

    democracy..power is held directly by the people, thru their representatives they elect...............this make it democratic..............................1 entity holds power
    I have no idea what you are talking about. The definition I provided fits the US system to a tee. Power is held by the people and the representatives they elect.

    You made up the bit about

    democracy..power is held directly by the people, thru their representatives they elect...............this make it democratic...
    you made it up. You invented it. You wrote it to fit your own skewed belief system.

    I provided the source for my definitions. WHERE IS YOURS?
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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I have no idea what you are talking about. The definition I provided fits the US system to a tee. Power is held by the people and the representatives they elect.
    yes i see, you don't know what i am talking about, you never do when confronted with truth!

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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    yes i see, you don't know what i am talking about, you never do when confronted with truth!
    The definition I provided fits the US system to a tee. Power is held by the people and the representatives they elect.

    You made up the bit about

    democracy..power is held directly by the people, thru their representatives they elect...............this make it democratic...

    you made it up. You invented it. You wrote it to fit your own skewed belief system.

    you invented this yourself

    again power is divided between the people and the representatives they elect..........this makes it republican.................2 entities hold power

    democracy..power is held directly by the people, thru their representatives they elect...............this make it democratic..............................1 entity holds power
    You made that up also. You pulled it out of your ...... head I would guess ..... and in doing so you pretend that you use the definition I provided but you only begin with it then deviate from it and change it to suit your own needs.

    It is intellectual fraud.

    I provided the source for my definitions. WHERE IS YOURS?
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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The definition I provided fits the US system to a tee. Power is held by the people and the representatives they elect.

    You made up the bit about




    you made it up. You invented it. You wrote it to fit your own skewed belief system.

    you invented this yourself



    You made that up also. You pulled it out of your ...... head I would guess ..... and in doing so you pretend that you use the definition I provided but you only begin with it then deviate from it and change it to suit your own needs.

    It is intellectual fraud.

    I provided the source for my definitions. WHERE IS YOURS?
    poor, poor haymarket!

    i know defeat for you is a bitter pill to swallow.

    but if you continue to act as if you don't not know what is being taught to you, its just going to make it harder to get down.

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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    poor, poor haymarket!

    i know defeat for you is a bitter pill to swallow.

    but if you continue to act as if you don't not know what is being taught to you, its just going to make it harder to get down.
    Are you going to answer my questions as to the verifiable sources for your claims about a republic and a democracy?

    Do you think you can get away with the intellectual fraud of making it up and pretending that it was my definition that you used?

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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Are you going to answer my questions as to the verifiable sources for your claims about a republic and a democracy?

    Do you think you can get away with the intellectual fraud of making it up and pretending that it was my definition that you used?

    END!

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