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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    that is what the supremacy clause is for... the founders knew their may be an overlap.

    federal is supreme when they do .

    HOWEVER......federal powers are enumerated by the Constitution DEFINING THEM

    federalist 45-- The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government, are few and defined
    and if states powers are undefined there is no clear way of knowing what powers they have. that type of ambiguity is subject to speculation.
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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    and if states powers are undefined there is no clear way of knowing what powers they have. that type of ambiguity is subject to speculation.
    your missing the point of the constitution in entirely......

    those powers which are not delegated to the federal government by the Constitution...are state powers, and they are vast.....which is why they are not enumerated, because they would consume, many amounts of papers if you tried to list them..

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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    your missing the point of the constitution in entirely......

    those powers which are not delegated to the federal government by the Constitution...are state powers, and they are vast.....which is why they are not enumerated, because they would consume, many amounts of papers if you tried to list them..
    if the states powers are infinite, at some point they must come into conflict with federal powers. there must be room for a debate when that conflict happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unitedwestand13 View Post
    if the states powers are infinite, at some point they must come into conflict with federal powers. There must be room for a debate when that conflict happens.

    how?...... Since federal powers are few and defined.......in the constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    yes it does matter, becuase the states in ratifitying the constution did not turn over there powers, to the federal government concerning the people.

    the only powers which were turned over were those in article 1 section 8, and NOTHING, NOTHING , in the us..constitution gives the federal government authority over the people.....NOTHING.
    Utter extremist nonsense from the far right fringe of the margins of the politically delusional. The reality is that such a sentiment is supported by not one single US Supreme Court decision in 225 years. And I daresay that not a single US Supreme Court justice in all that time has ever agreed with such rank extremism.
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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Utter extremist nonsense from the far right fringe of the margins of the politically delusional. The reality is that such a sentiment is supported by not one single US Supreme Court decision in 225 years. And I daresay that not a single US Supreme Court justice in all that time has ever agreed with such rank extremism.
    oh, you have stated many things , show me where the founders believed in a collective society, show me where in the constitution it directs federal government power over the people.

    NO YOU WILL SHOW ME ANYTHING,.....because you have nothing but your own ramblings, of what you think America should be and what you think the constitution means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    oh, you have stated many things , show me where the founders believed in a collective society, show me where in the constitution it directs federal government power over the people.

    NO YOU WILL SHOW ME ANYTHING,.....because you have nothing but your own ramblings, of what you think America should be and what you think the constitution means.
    Article I, Section 8 gives you a detailed list of the powers of Congress which passes laws for the American people. You have been provided with this evidenceagain and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again in countless threads when you bring up this totally off the wall fringe belief.

    The Congress shall have power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
    To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;
    To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
    To establish a uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
    To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
    To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current coin of the United States;
    To establish Post Offices and post Roads;
    To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
    To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
    To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;
    To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
    To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
    To provide and maintain a Navy;
    To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
    To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
    To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
    To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;—And
    To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
    What I have shown you - repeatedly - is that your extremist far fringe view on this matter has absolutely no support in any way shape or form from the people empowered to interpret our Constitution and decide these matters.

    You can quote Hamilton all day until his "wisdom" oozes from every pore in your body but in the end - all you have is your own far right extremely marginalized extremism that is not shared by a single Justice on the US Supreme Court in 225 years.
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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Article I, Section 8 gives you a detailed list of the powers of Congress which passes laws for the American people. You have been provided with this evidenceagain and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again in countless threads when you bring up this totally off the wall fringe belief.



    What I have shown you - repeatedly - is that your extremist far fringe view on this matter has absolutely no support in any way shape or form from the people empowered to interpret our Constitution and decide these matters.

    You can quote Hamilton all day until his "wisdom" oozes from every pore in your body but in the end - all you have is your own far right extremely marginalized extremism that is not shared by a single Justice on the US Supreme Court in 225 years.
    for the American people?........is said, power over the American people...not for!

    nothing gives the federal government authority to create laws controlling the American people in their personal lives.


    again and again X10.......wrong you spout plenty of things talking about about the founders, yet you provide nothing, .....and when confronted with the founders which dispute what you say........you dismiss them!


    where in article 1 section 8 of the powers of congress, do those powers involve themselves in the personal life's of =the people?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    for the American people?........is said, power over the American people...not for!

    nothing gives the federal government authority to create laws controlling the American people in their personal lives.


    again and again X10.......wrong you spout plenty of things talking about about the founders, yet you provide nothing, .....and when confronted with the founders which dispute what you say........you dismiss them!


    where in article 1 section 8 of the powers of congress, do those powers involve themselves in the personal life's of =the people?????
    Two simple questions for you Herr Barkmann:

    Can you provide us with a single US Supreme Court decision which agrees with your interpretation on this matter in the last 225 years?

    Who is it that you believe Congress is empowered to pass all these laws for and what support can you find for that?
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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    James Madison speaks out against collectivism.


    james Madison The Federalist Papers Federalist 10
    Categories: Collectivism, Democracy
    Date: November 22, 1787
    By a faction, I understand a number of citizens, whether amounting to a majority or a minority of the whole, who are united and actuated by some common impulse of passion, or of interest, adverse to the rights of other citizens, or to the permanent and aggregate interests of the community.


    James Madison in federalist 63----The true distinction between these and the American governments, lies in the total exclusion of the people, in their collective capacity, from any share in the latter, and not in the total exclusion of the representatives of the people from the administration of the former.


    James Madison on state powers , not federal power ,federalist 45- The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State

    James Madison on the federal government:

    James Madison The Federalist Papers Federalist No. 14
    Categories: Federal Government
    Date: November 30, 1787
    In the first place, it is to be remembered, that the general government is not to be charged with the whole power of making and administering laws: its jurisdiction is limited to certain enumerated objects, which concern all the members of the republic, but which are not to be attained by the separate provisions of any.

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