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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    deflection by you...means you have no argument....to save face!

    My argument is very very simple and very very direct Herr Barkmann.
    1- current US law offers protections to people against discrimination and bigotry by making such actions illegal under US law
    2- you advocate changing current US law so that one can engage in actions of bigotry and discrimination
    3- you would enable and facilitate actions of bigotry and discrimination which are now illegal

    And that argument is impossible to refute because either you do or you don't advocate these changes and you have already made it clear that you do.
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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Absolutely. Refusing business due to reasons like racism or sexism is deplorable behavior and the laws do no harm being kept in place.

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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Absolutely. Refusing business due to reasons like racism or sexism is deplorable behavior and the laws do no harm being kept in place.
    And all the self serving double talk about
    "what would the great savior James Madison do"
    belongs back in the 1700's. We had this discussion and have moved on as a nation and as a people.
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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    Kind of circular logic there which appears to try to elicit an emotional response. When laws are written to make an action against the law then of course they are illegal. In terms of rights there is a conflict of "rights" you assume that one individual has a right to the services and property of another private entity (to be distinguished from governmental entities). However to usurp the rights of individual private business owners their right to manage their own rights of property and freedoms of association are violated when forced to provide goods and services they don't want to provide under penalty of law.

    We used to have:

    1. Areas of the country where black people couldn't rent a room for the night when traveling.

    2. Areas of the country where black people traveling couldn't buy gas from white station owners.

    3. Areas of the country where blacks couldn't eat unless they could find a black's only food establishment.

    4. And we had systematic discrimination against minorities in terms of how government functioned, such as segregated mass transit (buses, trains, etc.), schools, law enforcement, etc.
    Add to all this, these types of laws are the same as the infamous Jim Crow laws, but in the opposite direction. Both types of laws force the decision one way or the other. Under the Jim Crow laws a business man couldn't choose to have a mixed business. One of the biggest misdirection in counterarguments is that if a person is against anti-discrimination laws that they must be for discrimination and Jim Crow laws. Nothing could be further from the truth for a super majority of us.
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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I absolutely support non-discrimination laws which protect every human being's right to be treated fairly.

    Anyone who thinks (Wishes, hopes, dreams.) that the haters will ever win in the USA will be disappointed.

    Anyone who is opposed to equal rights for all will be disappointed, because the majority of Americans are opposed to hate-based ideas.

    Don't take my word for this, just wait and see.



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    I agree with this, and its also because I vote 'other', for the buck stops at "based on...." We must treat everyone fairly, and ideally should accept for what we are. Period.

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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    if you trying to buy a cupcake from me...then you must be on my property......and you have no exercisable rights while on my property, ..only privileges, if i wish to extend them to you.
    I'll disagree with you here, although I am with you on most of what you are saying. I indeed do have exercisable rights (unless we are differing on the use of the word exercisable) while on your property. My right to life and my right to not be forcibly detained are still intact as are all my personal property rights. I believe you mean to say that one has no exercisable right towards your services and/or goods/property.
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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    WOW!!!!! Did you get cheated !!!!! Now this explains everything about you ideology and beliefs.

    Return it at once and get one that starts our with the collectivist sentiment


    WE THE PEOPLE
    A phrase that refers to the collective or collective action is not the same as an adherence to or endorsement of collectivist principles. So stop playing word games. The Founders were distinctly INDIVIDUALISTS in their ideology which is why collectivists like yourself so revile them.

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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    A phrase that refers to the collective or collective action is not the same as an adherence to or endorsement of collectivist principles. So stop playing word games. The Founders were distinctly INDIVIDUALISTS in their ideology which is why collectivists like yourself so revile them.
    The document they provided for us says otherwise. It is a balance of individualism and community - as is America itself.
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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The document they provided for us says otherwise. It is a balance of individualism and community - as is America itself.
    Not true, the document itself lays out no collectivist principles at all. The unique political philosophy of the founders was of individualism and they sought to erect a government to secure those principles. You may disagree and believe that the collectivist approach is better, but you cannot deny that this country was not founded upon that sort of thing.

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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Not true, the document itself lays out no collectivist principles at all. The unique political philosophy of the founders was of individualism and they sought to erect a government to secure those principles. You may disagree and believe that the collectivist approach is better, but you cannot deny that this country was not founded upon that sort of thing.
    The Constitution begins with a belief in WE THE PEOPLE. That is about as collectivist as you could get in 1878.

    It talks in the Preamble about the common defense and the general welfare - both far beyond individualism.

    It talks about establishing justice and insuring domestic tranquility - both very much group concerns.

    The Constitution and indeed America is balance between individualism and the collective nature of society.
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