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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    I didn't make the arbitrary line beyond expressing my opinion. Our legislators made the anti-discrimination laws and they were upheld by the Supreme court.
    Appeal to authority

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    Only racists, libertarians and extreme consrvatives have a problem with these laws.
    Ad hom

    Do you have an argument that isn't logical fallacy and that addresses the points I raised? Or is it that you have nothing more than hysteria, emotion, and deflection? Cause I've seen that argument for your side already in this thread and we don't need to go down that route.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    how are they being harmed?.......no one told them to drive anywhere.


    it does not matter how you feel or think of how others treat there fellow man..if its not a rights violation or health and saftey, government has no authority over them and neither do you.

    Apparently, if individuals and society are harmed by discrimination that doesn't concern you as long as your philosophical notions on the proper role of government are supported by law.

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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Apparently, if individuals and society are harmed by discrimination that doesn't concern you as long as your philosophical notions on the proper role of government are supported by law.
    where is the harm.........your feelings hurt?

    feelings are not covered by the constitution.

    you have no moral authority to make people act the way you want them to........your being a dictator!


    government is created to secure rights...not feelings

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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Apparently, if individuals and society are harmed by discrimination that doesn't concern you as long as your philosophical notions on the proper role of government are supported by law.
    How is one harmed by being refused a cupcake?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    where is the harm.........your feelings hurt?

    feelings are not covered by the constitution.

    you have no moral authority to make people act the way you want them to........your being a dictator!


    government is created to secure rights...not feelings
    Racial, religious etc. discrimination harms society and vulnerable people. In small towns, isolated and rural areas, just one or two discriminatory businesses could keep a significant portion of the population from getting a job, shopping, getting a place to live etc. without leaving town. Even in a more urban environment, discrimination can force poor people to unnecessary waste time and money searching for a business that will accept their money in exchange for goods or services. Businesses have the ability to oppress people in their daily lives as much or more than government, especially in these days of a handful of mega-corporations, malls and big box retail dominating retail and services. Addressing government discrimination while allowing business discrimination requires tolerating discrimination and the hardship and oppression it will impose on unpopular minorities and society as a whole.

    The business owner who doesn't like serving a customer because of their race, religion, gender etc is harmed much less when forced to serve that person than the would-be customer who has to find another place that will serve him/her is harmed. When a person can't get a job or a home because of race, religion, gender etc discrimination they suffer far more than the employer or landlord will suffer from being forced to treat that person as an equal. In addition, society as a whole is harmed by the impact of discrimination based on prejudice and hate.

    Discrimination harms society by maintaining an impoverished underclass living with all the ill effects of poverty and oppression, effects which can impact everyone in the form of blight, large numbers of beggars, disease, crime, violence, rebellion and revenge.

    Past experiences and the experiences of other places show us what happens when discrimination is allowed. Jim Crow laws existed during my lifetime and the negative effects from them still impacts life today. I don't believe that such discrimination will be as rare as claimed.

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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    How is one harmed by being refused a cupcake?
    If someone has to travel to the other side of town to get that cupcake they are being harmed. How is someone being forced to sell a cupcake to someone he doesn't like harmed? I have sold products and provided services to people I don't like and I didn't experience any harm beyond mild annoyance.

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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Racial, religious etc. discrimination harms society and vulnerable people. In small towns, isolated and rural areas, just one or two discriminatory businesses could keep a significant portion of the population from getting a job, shopping, getting a place to live etc. without leaving town. Even in a more urban environment, discrimination can force poor people to unnecessary waste time and money searching for a business that will accept their money in exchange for goods or services. Businesses have the ability to oppress people in their daily lives as much or more than government, especially in these days of a handful of mega-corporations, malls and big box retail dominating retail and services. Addressing government discrimination while allowing business discrimination requires tolerating discrimination and the hardship and oppression it will impose on unpopular minorities and society as a whole.

    The business owner who doesn't like serving a customer because of their race, religion, gender etc is harmed much less when forced to serve that person than the would-be customer who has to find another place that will serve him/her is harmed. When a person can't get a job or a home because of race, religion, gender etc discrimination they suffer far more than the employer or landlord will suffer from being forced to treat that person as an equal. In addition, society as a whole is harmed by the impact of discrimination based on prejudice and hate.

    Discrimination harms society by maintaining an impoverished underclass living with all the ill effects of poverty and oppression, effects which can impact everyone in the form of blight, large numbers of beggars, disease, crime, violence, rebellion and revenge.

    Past experiences and the experiences of other places show us what happens when discrimination is allowed. Jim Crow laws existed during my lifetime and the negative effects from them still impacts life today. I don't believe that such discrimination will be as rare as claimed.
    If you have specific examples, that's fine. If one's rights are violated, you most certainly can seek the intervention of government.

    But I'll tell you right now, comparing a cupcake to Jim Crow is dishonest and ludicrous.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    If someone has to travel to the other side of town to get that cupcake they are being harmed. How is someone being forced to sell a cupcake to someone he doesn't like harmed? I have sold products and provided services to people I don't like and I didn't experience any harm beyond mild annoyance.
    How? How is one harmed by having to go to another shop for a cupcake. You cannot simply declare it so, you must demonstrate it. You are the one looking to use government force. How is being refused a cupcake harmful?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Racial, religious etc. discrimination harms society and vulnerable people. In small towns, isolated and rural areas, just one or two discriminatory businesses could keep a significant portion of the population from getting a job, shopping, getting a place to live etc. without leaving town. Even in a more urban environment, discrimination can force poor people to unnecessary waste time and money searching for a business that will accept their money in exchange for goods or services. Businesses have the ability to oppress people in their daily lives as much or more than government, especially in these days of a handful of mega-corporations, malls and big box retail dominating retail and services. Addressing government discrimination while allowing business discrimination requires tolerating discrimination and the hardship and oppression it will impose on unpopular minorities and society as a whole.

    The business owner who doesn't like serving a customer because of their race, religion, gender etc is harmed much less when forced to serve that person than the would-be customer who has to find another place that will serve him/her is harmed. When a person can't get a job or a home because of race, religion, gender etc discrimination they suffer far more than the employer or landlord will suffer from being forced to treat that person as an equal. In addition, society as a whole is harmed by the impact of discrimination based on prejudice and hate.

    Discrimination harms society by maintaining an impoverished underclass living with all the ill effects of poverty and oppression, effects which can impact everyone in the form of blight, large numbers of beggars, disease, crime, violence, rebellion and revenge.

    Past experiences and the experiences of other places show us what happens when discrimination is allowed. Jim Crow laws existed during my lifetime and the negative effects from them still impacts life today. I don't believe that such discrimination will be as rare as claimed.
    wrong, rights are not collective, they are individual rights, and my by not serving you, this is not a violation of rights, or health and safety.

    if you trying to buy a cupcake from me...then you must be on my property......and you have no exercisable rights while on my property, ..only privileges, if i wish to extend them to you.

    what government does with discrimination laws is....ordering people[by force] to extend privileges on their property which is unconstitutional.

    people can discriminate, ...governments cannot.

    you ideas of discrimination is simply you don't like how some people behavior...therefore you seek to stop them with government force, to suit your ideas.
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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    If someone has to travel to the other side of town to get that cupcake they are being harmed. How is someone being forced to sell a cupcake to someone he doesn't like harmed? I have sold products and provided services to people I don't like and I didn't experience any harm beyond mild annoyance.
    under the constitution 13th, no one can be forced to serve another person......unless a crime has been committed........discrimination laws, are not criminal.

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