View Poll Results: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

Voters
68. You may not vote on this poll
  • Yes

    42 61.76%
  • No

    12 17.65%
  • Other

    14 20.59%
Page 28 of 49 FirstFirst ... 18262728293038 ... LastLast
Results 271 to 280 of 485

Thread: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights? [W:85]

  1. #271
    Sage

    Join Date
    May 2011
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:01 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    8,180

    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Everyone discriminates on some basis or another when making any choice between two alternatives. Discriminating based on particular identity groups (race, sex, etc.) is irrational, and so I don't defend prejudice and discrimination because I don't defend irrational behavior. I think laws about it are somewhat unenforceable (people such as employers can pretty easily just conceal their discriminatory preferences if it's illegal).

  2. #272
    Mixed Government advocate
    Master PO's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Location
    93,000,000 miles from Earth where its very Hot
    Last Seen
    11-30-17 @ 01:52 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    31,331

    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It was you who came out in favor of policies which would allow actions based on bigotry and prejudice to be legalized.
    right to association........ is not something government legalizes

    its a right of the people.

    if someone does something you disagree with, stupid, or hateful, but in preforming any of those 3 things, they do not infringe on the rights of other people [a crime] or endanger the health and safety of people or property [regulations], ...then what authority does the government have to force a person to behave in a matter you no longer disagree with, find stupid, or hateful?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Exposing that was a home run over the damn wall making you look just like you should be made to look - a enabler of bigotry.
    so your saying any citizen which engages in anything YOU disagree with, see as stupid, or hateful..........they MUST BE STOPPED by the government?...........

    Do i have you correct?
    Last edited by Master PO; 02-12-14 at 05:29 PM.

  3. #273
    Banned
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Location
    Port Jarvis NY
    Last Seen
    03-22-14 @ 02:15 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    1,039

    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose;1062902704I
    absolutely support non-discrimination laws which protect every human being's right to be treated fairly.

    Neither do I. We must repeal laws that provide minorities more rights.
    My granddaughter goes to class for more advanced students. But this class no one black student got. The school principal decided to close this class. This decision against my granddaughter. Therefore, I demand equal rights for my granddaughter. And I want to feed the dogs, by principal of this school. I'm so tired of you, liberal idiots.

  4. #274
    Sage

    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:24 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    89,905

    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    right to association........ is not something government legalizes

    its a right of the people.
    News bulletin from Reality Land for Herr Barkmann: if the government does not recognize a claimed right you allege that you have - you do not have it pal.

    Unless of course, you move to somewhere that does.
    __________________________________________________ _
    There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.... John Rogers

  5. #275
    Mixed Government advocate
    Master PO's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Location
    93,000,000 miles from Earth where its very Hot
    Last Seen
    11-30-17 @ 01:52 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    31,331

    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    News bulletin from reality Land for Herr Barkmann: if the government does not recognize a claimed right you allege that you have - you do not have it pal.

    Unless of course, you move to somewhere that does.

    ARE YOU say their is no right to association?

    oh ....you better look it up!

    even judges i have listen to who teach constitutional law, talk of right to association.


    according to you, if someone wants to associate with me........i must do it?.......when did one citizen get the power to force another citizen to associate with them?


    so your saying any citizen which engages in anything YOU disagree with, see as stupid, or hateful..........they MUST BE STOPPED by the government?...........


    do i have you correct?
    Last edited by Master PO; 02-12-14 at 06:21 PM.

  6. #276
    Sage

    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:24 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    89,905

    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    ARE YOU say their is no right to association?

    oh ....you better look it up!

    even judges i have listen to who teach constitutional law, talk of right to association.


    according to you, if someone wants to associate with me........i must do it?.......when did one citizen get the power to force another citizen to associate with them?


    so your saying any citizen which engages in anything YOU disagree with, see as stupid, or hateful..........they MUST BE STOPPED by the government?...........


    do i have you correct?
    Reading comprehension has never been your strong suit. go back and read what I wrote then deal with what I wrote and not what you want to deal with.
    __________________________________________________ _
    There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.... John Rogers

  7. #277
    Mixed Government advocate
    Master PO's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Location
    93,000,000 miles from Earth where its very Hot
    Last Seen
    11-30-17 @ 01:52 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    31,331

    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Reading comprehension has never been your strong suit. go back and read what I wrote then deal with what I wrote and not what you want to deal with.
    all you have written is you don't THINK people should be able to discriminate, and that is not a basis of law.


    if someone does something you disagree with, stupid, or hateful, but in preforming any of those 3 things, they do not infringe on the rights of other people [a crime] or endanger the health and safety of people or property [regulations], ...then what authority does the government have to force a person to behave in a matter you no longer disagree with, find stupid, or hateful?..........

    do you think government use force on people who do things YOU disagree with, find stupid or hateful?

  8. #278
    Sage

    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:24 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    89,905

    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    all you have written is you don't THINK people should be able to discriminate, and that is not a basis of law.
    What I wrote was that the policies you advocate and the rights you claim would result in people being able to legally engage in bigotry and discrimination against others when they are barred from legally doing so today. And you admitted it.

    Please get it straight.
    __________________________________________________ _
    There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.... John Rogers

  9. #279
    Mixed Government advocate
    Master PO's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Location
    93,000,000 miles from Earth where its very Hot
    Last Seen
    11-30-17 @ 01:52 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    31,331

    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    What I wrote was that the policies you advocate and the rights you claim would result in people being able to legally engage in bigotry and discrimination against others when they are barred from legally doing so today. And you admitted it.

    Please get it straight.
    bigotry and discrimination........is NOT A CRIME..........when i violate a person rights.........that is a crime!

    so if a person engages in bigotry and discrimination...........he is not violating anyone rights.

    again---- if a person commits ........ bigotry and discrimination...which is NOT crime..........which does not violate health and saftey standards.............by what authority does government have to force me to associate with another person?

    you whole argument is.... people are doing things you disagree with find stupid, and hateful.....But that does not give you any authority by law!

  10. #280
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Last Seen
    01-17-16 @ 05:09 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    9,122

    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    When you have a business the government regulates where it can be located, the type of building you can use, the type of sign you display, how you can fire and hire people, the minimum wage, how you dispose of waste, and fire and other safety requirements. You are also required to document your income and expenses to pay your taxes and get deductions. If you have a restaurant, you will be inspected to make sure that the food is protected properly from spoilage and contamination, that the employees wash their hands and wear proper clothing and hair nets etc, that you have pests under control, provide access to the disabled, have accessible restrooms and much more.

    Out of all these regulations and requirements, none of which are loved by conservatives-libertarians, the one mentioned most often as onerous and unfair is the requirement that employees and customers are not subject to racial, religious etc. discrimination by business. Ironically, while advocating for allowing discrimination in public accommodations, they also argue that such discrimination would not happen very much, if at all, because people have changed since the Jim Crow days and it would harm the business.

    My opinion is that the harm from business discrimination against potential employees, employees and customers outweighs the harm from being "forced" to tolerate undesirable races, religions etc in one's business. I don't believe that such discrimination will be as rare as claimed. These days it is as likely to be directed at Muslims and gays as blacks, but the tendency to ignorantly, irrationally and/or arbitrarily discriminate has not been sufficiently eliminated yet. For evidence, just look at all the racism and bigotry expressed on this forum and other public fora.

    Also, I am willing to recognize the damage that it would cause to society and vulnerable people, something the conservative-libertarians ignore or downplay. In small towns, isolated and rural areas, just one or two discriminatory businesses could keep a significant portion of the population from getting a job, shopping, getting a place to live etc. without leaving town. Businesses have the ability to oppress people in their daily lives as much or more than government, especially in these days of a handful of mega-corporations, malls and big box retail dominating retail and services. Addressing government discrimination while allowing business discrimination requires tolerating discrimination and the hardship and oppression it will impose on unpopular minorities and society as a whole.

Page 28 of 49 FirstFirst ... 18262728293038 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •