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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    Sorry, not the way it works in the real world.

    We have Policy and Procedure Manuals that are continually updated, they are maintained in hard copy by each department and are available online to employees. There is not way to "freeze" them in place for 20-30 years at time. Needs change, laws change, and duties change. We communicate these changes to employees and they are responsible. The "well that's not what it was when I was hired" excuse does not excuse an individual from compliance. Not to mention that a 3 Volume contract which is different for each an every employee (which for my organization is about 5,000 people) would be completely impractical.




    The law does enforce the contract that says the employees is required to comply with Virginia Law and organization Policy and Procedures. If we implement a new/updated policy or procedure, an individual that doesn't like it is free to tender their resignation. If we implement a new/updated policy or procedure, and an individual violates them, we will normally provide an avenue of remediation to correct a deficiency - if they refuse to comply we have justification for termination for cause.



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    i understand that, that is why i would like to see contract law of the founders, bought into our business world, to simplify things, instead of the way things are now, with its confusion

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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    But in this case they would endorse actions which allow and facilitate it. So why am I suppose to give two craps about their sanctimonious self proclaimed motivations and beliefs if the actions which result are so henious?

    Believing that private property owners have a right to their property (including their labor) is not an endorsement of how someone uses that property.


    I believe that a Mom & Pop Hot Dog Stand had a right to determine that they should be able to refuse service to customers, that doesn't mean I don't think that refusing service to black people isn't bigoted and discriminatory.


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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i understand that, that is why i would like to see contract law of the founders, bought into our business world, to simplify things, instead of the way things are now, with its confusion

    You think that in the 1700's employers wrote down every policy they had for the management of their business and a complete list of the duties and each and every employee were required to perform, such contracts were then signed by both the employee and the employer and that "froze" those conditions in place and employers were not allowed to make changes for the entire time an employee was employed?


    Please don't be silly.


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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    impotent?..........hmmmm more sexual innuendos.

    since most of the people here on this forum know you, i will not have to do this, because they know i am right........"you never met a federal government power you did not like"
    You don't retain what people try to teach you do you? When you said this stupid sex comment before I provided the dictionary definition of the word IMPOTENT and how the meaning I am using has nothing at all to do with sex. Oh wait!!!!!!! The word DICTIONARY has the first three letters which might offend you as sexual. Oh my!!!!!

    from google search

    im·po·tent
    ˈimpətnt/
    adjective
    1.
    unable to take effective action; helpless or powerless.
    "he was seized with an impotent anger"
    synonyms: powerless, ineffective, ineffectual, inadequate, weak, feeble, useless, worthless, futile; More

    And you are still impotent to present any quote from me saying what you claimed.
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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    Believing that private property owners have a right to their property (including their labor) is not an endorsement of how someone uses that property.


    I believe that a Mom & Pop Hot Dog Stand had a right to determine that they should be able to refuse service to customers, that doesn't mean I don't think that refusing service to black people isn't bigoted and discriminatory.


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    Baloney. I really do not give the contents of a public toilet about somebodys self proclaimed holy beliefs and what they claim motivates them. Results are what counts. And by their own admission, what they advocate would result in the ability to be a bigot and racist and discriminate.
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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    You think that in the 1700's employers wrote down every policy they had for the management of their business and a complete list of the duties and each and every employee were required to perform, such contracts were then signed by both the employee and the employer and that "froze" those conditions in place and employers were not allowed to make changes for the entire time an employee was employed?


    Please don't be silly.


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    no.... i mean the are the ideas of the founders...they didn't enact them, because they had no authority as instruments of federal authority.

    contracts can anyways be renegotiated.

    the founders believed is easy to read laws, contracts, not the complex ones we have today.

    "laws that cannot be understood, are not good laws"

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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You don't retain what people try to teach you do you? When you said this stupid sex comment before I provided the dictionary definition of the word IMPOTENT and how the meaning I am using has nothing at all to do with sex. Oh wait!!!!!!! The word DICTIONARY has the first three letters which might offend you as sexual. Oh my!!!!!

    from google search
    And you are still impotent to present any quote from me saying what you claimed.

    teach you.......?..i see... your the teacher who said, the constitution was ratified in Sept of 1788 and the bill of rights in march of 1792......

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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    teach you.......?..i see... your the teacher who said, the constitution was ratified in Sept of 1788 and the bill of rights in march of 1792......
    Anybody can copy a date incorrectly and miss by a few months. I made an error. I was corrected. And I owned up and did not make it again. No big deal.

    It takes a real sanctimonious know it all fool to intentionally keep making the same mistake about how a word is used time and time again AFTER THEY HAVE BEEN corrected. And that is what you intentionally do with this sexual nonsense. Which tells me tons more about you and the issues you may have than I ever want to know.
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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So just quote me on that then or be a honorable man and admit you are impotent to present any such evidence. Here was your claim in 214




    So prove it.
    To be fair, haymarket, I cant recall you speaking out against any state action with regards to the economy, and cant recall you objecting to a state roll in every conceivable social ill. The problem with your position is that you really have no logical or moral ground to oppose any state action since you have made it clear that the rights we have are gifts from the benevolent state. Which of course means they can take them back should the need arise. That is essentially a blank check on state power. So while there might be some small, insignificant state actions somewhere in the back of your mind you might object to, there cant be any objective justification for it.

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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    To be fair, haymarket, I cant recall you speaking out against any state action with regards to the economy, and cant recall you objecting to a state roll in every conceivable social ill. The problem with your position is that you really have no logical or moral ground to oppose any state action since you have made it clear that the rights we have are gifts from the benevolent state. Which of course means they can take them back should the need arise. That is essentially a blank check on state power. So while there might be some small, insignificant state actions somewhere in the back of your mind you might object to, there cant be any objective justification for it.
    That is essentially...... ( is that how you say it?) BS on your part making it up as you go along without any evidence supplied.

    You want to to get in line to accuse me of crap? go for it. Just prove what you allege with verifiable evidence. Otherwise - you know the drill.
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