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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    hay is fully aware of my position, he is simply trying to bring attention on what is being said.

    he believes the federal government has total authority to do as wants....outside of the constitution
    You took the position you took endorsing bigotry and prejudice as allowable reasons to take action. That was your position.

    And please quote me where I said I believe the federal government has TOTAL AUTHORITY to do as they want outside of the Constitution. That is just an absurd thing to say but just show me where I said that please.
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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    not a strawman at all, try all the deflections and dishonesty you want it fails and wont work. My example shows and points out how meaningless your statement was. ANd it was meaningless, it has no merrit at all. You want it to, you hope it does, you wish it had an impact but no matter your opinion it simply doesnt and law stands and its why you avoided everything else and moved the goal post and deflected which you still are. It was a smart move to backpedal, deflect and move the goal post but it just didnt work. Your opinions and philosophy and feelings are noted, they dont matter to me, facts, laws and rights and youll never be able to make them matter lol
    A law existing doesn't mean that law protects our rights. You're essentially making a "might makes right" argument. But the actual ramification is that in the exercise of the nondiscriminatory laws, sometime the rights of the individual are infringed upon. That's just what it is. I know you don't want to acknowledge this bit of reality since it clashes with the propaganda you're trying to employ; but your propaganda does not and cannot change reality.
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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    No actually I'm thinking of the contracts for employees that I'm responsible for creating. There are no "time exemptions" in the contracts. The EE agrees to abide by the organizations policies and procedures. That includes those implemented at the time of employment and those that might be updated or implemented in the future.




    Sure there is in both cases:

    #1 If they do something you don't like, you end your employment.

    #2 If you do something they don't like (which violates their polices, yet does not violate the law), then they can end your employment for cause.



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    well the contracts i refer to would follow state laws, nothing federal . because the federal government has no authority.

    they would be easy to read, spelled out contracts, stating the duties of employes, and things they cannot do while employed by me.

    paid, time off, other concerns, and the employee agrees with it or moves on to another job, or the contract is agreed to, then the laws enforces the contract if either party breaks it.

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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You took the position you took endorsing bigotry and prejudice as allowable reasons to take action. That was your position.

    Believing in liberty, freedom, and smaller government does not mean that the individual endorses bigotry and prejudice.


    I can believe in Free Speech, as such I believe that the KKK, Westboro Baptist Church, and others have a right to voice their opinions - that does not mean that I agree with their bigotry and they prejudice.



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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You took the position you took endorsing bigotry and prejudice as allowable reasons to take action. That was your position.

    i believe that this statement says exactly what i would say......post 217 by Fletch

    But I support the rights of people to do things I myself would not do. That should not be confused with an endorsement of that behavior, by the way. It is just a recognition of their right to behave that way.





    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And please quote me where I said I believe the federal government has TOTAL AUTHORITY to do as they want outside of the Constitution. That is just an absurd thing to say but just show me where I said that please.
    anyone who has ever debated you, knows, according to you ...there is no power the federal government has is not part of governments powers.

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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    Believing in liberty, freedom, and smaller government does not mean that the individual endorses bigotry and prejudice.


    I can believe in Free Speech, as such I believe that the KKK, Westboro Baptist Church, and others have a right to voice their opinions - that does not mean that I agree with their bigotry and they prejudice.



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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    Believing in liberty, freedom, and smaller government does not mean that the individual endorses bigotry and prejudice.


    I can believe in Free Speech, as such I believe that the KKK, Westboro Baptist Church, and others have a right to voice their opinions - that does not mean that I agree with their bigotry and they prejudice.



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    But in this case they would endorse actions which allow and facilitate it. So why am I suppose to give two craps about their sanctimonious self proclaimed motivations and beliefs if the actions which result are so henious?
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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i believe that this statement says exactly what i would say......post 217 by Fletch

    But I support the rights of people to do things I myself would not do. That should not be confused with an endorsement of that behavior, by the way. It is just a recognition of their right to behave that way.







    anyone who has ever debated you, knows, according to you ...there is no power the federal government has is not part of governments powers.
    So just quote me on that then or be a honorable man and admit you are impotent to present any such evidence. Here was your claim in 214


    he believes the federal government has total authority to do as wants....outside of the constitution
    So prove it.
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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    well the contracts i refer to would fo allow state laws, nothing federal . because the federal government has no authority.

    they would be easy to read, spelled out contracts, stating the duties of employes, and things they cannot do while employed by me.

    Sorry, not the way it works in the real world.

    We have Policy and Procedure Manuals that are continually updated, they are maintained in hard copy by each department and are available online to employees. There is not way to "freeze" them in place for 20-30 years at time. Needs change, laws change, and duties change. We communicate these changes to employees and they are responsible. The "well that's not what it was when I was hired" excuse does not excuse an individual from compliance. Not to mention that a 3 Volume contract which is different for each an every employee (which for my organization is about 5,000 people) would be completely impractical.

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    paid, time off, other concerns, and the employee agrees with it or moves on to another job, or the contract is agreed to, then the laws enforces the contract if either party breaks it.

    The law does enforce the contract that says the employees is required to comply with Virginia Law and organization Policy and Procedures. If we implement a new/updated policy or procedure, an individual that doesn't like it is free to tender their resignation. If we implement a new/updated policy or procedure, and an individual violates them, we will normally provide an avenue of remediation to correct a deficiency - if they refuse to comply we have justification for termination for cause.



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    Re: Do you support non-discrimination laws that protect our rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So just quote me on that then or be a honorable man and admit you are impotent to present any such evidence.

    impotent?..........hmmmm more sexual innuendos.

    since most of the people here on this forum know you, i will not have to do this, because they know i am right........"you never met a federal government power you did not like"

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