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  • The growing number of seniors is a major economic challenge

    15 51.72%
  • We all owe old people and they should get what they want

    3 10.34%
  • I'm over 65 and I paid my dues, now its my right to collect

    2 6.90%
  • Most old people suck

    1 3.45%
  • We should respect our elders and they are the wisest

    9 31.03%
  • Social security should be changed to be on a needs basis

    10 34.48%
  • The legal retirement age for government benefits should be raised

    8 27.59%
  • Old people are better people, it's young people who suck

    8 27.59%
  • They're right, we need lots more restrictions and laws

    0 0%
  • Old people made the most wonderful country in the world

    7 24.14%
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Thread: Are Old People the ruin of this country?

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    Are Old People the ruin of this country?

    A serious question.

    In 1900, 1 in 25 Americans was 65 or older. Here are numbers now:

    40.3 million

    The number of people who were 65 and older in the United States on April 1, 2010, accounting for 13 percent of the total population. In 2010, this age group was larger than in any other decennial census, up from 31.2 million in 1990 and 35.0 million in 2000.
    Source: The Older Population: 2010 <http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/b...c2010br-09.pdf>
    88.5 million

    Projected population of people 65 and older in 2050. People in this age group would comprise 20 percent of the total population at that time.
    Source: Population projections <http://www.census.gov/population/www...arytables.html>
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    The projected number of people 65 and older of traditional working ages (ages 20 to 64) to every 100 people in 2030, up from 22 in 2010. This time period coincides with the time when all baby boomers will have moved into the 65 and older age category. (The figures for 2010 are not census counts.)
    Source: The Next Four Decades: The Older Population in the United States: 2010 to 2050< Aging Boomers Will Increase Dependency Ratio, Census Bureau Projects - Aging Population - Newsroom - U.S. Census Bureau>
    42%

    The percentage of the 65 and older population expected to be a minority - i.e., a group other than single race, non-Hispanic white - in 2050, more than double the percentage in 2010 (20 percent). Likewise, among those 85 and older, 33 percent are projected to be a minority in 2050, up from 15 percent in 2010.
    Source: The Next Four Decades: The Older Population in the United States: 2010 to 2050< Aging Boomers Will Increase Dependency Ratio, Census Bureau Projects - Aging Population - Newsroom - U.S. Census Bureau>

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    Understand, that is compared to 100% of the population - INCLUDING CHILDREN - which are 23% of the population.

    USA QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau

    That means 1 in 6 adults are 65 and older. That is quickly going to become 1 in 5 and then 1 in 4...

    All eligible for Social Security and all other benefits. Even if millionaires. They will claim they earned it and that was the "deal" of social security, but the life expectancy was age 67 - or 2 years. So to those seniors who claim that even if they don't need the money it would break the deal for them not to get it - which is true other than the seniors are breaking "the deal" because they were supposed to die pretty quickly.

    The older generation created the massive levels of federal, state and local government. They created the massive intrusions and involvements all over the world. The gained political offices by promising everything to everyone - without ever bothering to wonder who will pay for it. They basically wrote themselves massive loans against all future generations - and now expect to be paid to do nothing too.

    But MY greater concern is the radical control-freakism of old folks. I see this on this forum. They are TERRIFIED of death. TERRIFIED of anything that may poise 1/1,000,000th of a chance someone gets hurt. They want everything they don't like criminalized with extreme penalties. They want the government to be their parents. They expect everyone to take care of them because "they earned it." Many act like spoiled bratty teenagers personally.

    I saw a bumper stick on a million dollar motorhome that read "We're spending our children's inheritance." And my thought is yeah, they certainly did just that.

    But again my concern is the millions and millions of pages of laws they made and want more, wanting the government to police, watch and control everyone.

    What is your opinion? I know there are a lot of old people on this forum.

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    Re: Are Old People the ruin of this country?

    The advancement of modern medicine, expanding life spans and dropping birth rates is something no one would have thought possible to this extent.

    It's the first time in human history it's occurred and we're going to see interesting changes come of it...

    As humans, we find ways to adapt and I think we're going to see absolutely astonishing changes in old age care going forward out of pure nessecaty, much of which will likely be pioneered by Japan who will be the first, first world country to deal with this radical shift in a massive way.

    I believe these changes to come will soften the affect of the looming aging population crisis.

    So no, old people are not the ruin of any nation.

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    Re: Are Old People the ruin of this country?

    Which old people? According to your own data there are 88 million of them, and I don't think they're all troublemakers.

    You can take any demographic in this country and somehow turn it into a zero-sum game where the blame all rests on them. The reality is that our country is complicated and a lot of things are contributing to our challenges.

    I'm not even that old and I can remember a time when people felt that America could work through anything. Now we're blaming old people? What kind of wussy non-sense is this.

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    Re: Are Old People the ruin of this country?

    There are a few here that I have some general idea of their age because of what they've said and I don't see them saying anything that makes me think they're any more into controlling everybody through legislation than anyone else.

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    Re: Are Old People the ruin of this country?

    Well, yes, in a way, you're right Joko. That being said, and I'm not officially old yet, the SS system was in place well before most of us were born, and we had no choice as to whether or not to participate, so as far as I am concerned, I fully expect to get back what I have put in over the (so far) 40 years of my working life, and I still have another 12 years to go, assuming that I live to retirement age. Anyone with half a brain should have realized, even back when it was first instituted, that we would be facing this problem, but our government unfortunately decided that we had to do it anyway, and I see no signs of meaningful changes being instituted. Long term, we're pretty much screwed as a country, as far as economic stability goes.
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    Re: Are Old People the ruin of this country?

    Hmm. Old people, eh? As in those folks who didn't have the decency to die early enough, and are now an inconvenience. What should be done with them? I have some ideas:

    1) Pass a law that constitutional protections no longer apply to persons 60 and older.
    2) Deny them the right to vote, drive, own property or belong to a political party.
    3) If any of them object, euthanize those suckers with extreme prejudice.
    4) Confiscate their money and property to help pay off the national debt.

    That ought to teach them to die at a reasonable age. Problem solved!

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    Re: Are Old People the ruin of this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Well, yes, in a way, you're right Joko. That being said, and I'm not officially old yet, the SS system was in place well before most of us were born, and we had no choice as to whether or not to participate, so as far as I am concerned, I fully expect to get back what I have put in over the (so far) 40 years of my working life, and I still have another 12 years to go, assuming that I live to retirement age. Anyone with half a brain should have realized, even back when it was first instituted, that we would be facing this problem, but our government unfortunately decided that we had to do it anyway, and I see no signs of meaningful changes being instituted. Long term, we're pretty much screwed as a country, as far as economic stability goes.
    Even more than that, there are laws in place that actually hinder a person's ability to save for their own retirement, like limits on what you can put into IRAs and into deferred comp package. Government sure doesn't want to have to forgo those hefty social security withholdings. They made it, as you say, so that you pretty much had no choice. It's not the people fault that the money has been mismanaged. If someone pays into SS their whole lives, they should get back what they paid in. I don't agree with means testing either. Government wanted this, government needs to honor it's commitment.

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    Re: Are Old People the ruin of this country?

    Get rid of SS and incentivize personal savings instead of paying into a system we'll never have the benefit of using ourselves. It's really a flawed system to begin with. Not necessarily the fault of 'old people', just the same misguided social welfare BS that people have been blinded by for generations.

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    Re: Are Old People the ruin of this country?

    Joko, what is you answer to this "problem"?

    SS is a promise and everyone who earns a paycheck has been paying into it their who working life. Seriously, what would you suggest?

    Do remember, that you will be an old people someday, if you are fortunate enough to live that long. The alternative sucks.
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