View Poll Results: Your opinion on old people in the USA

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  • The growing number of seniors is a major economic challenge

    15 51.72%
  • We all owe old people and they should get what they want

    3 10.34%
  • I'm over 65 and I paid my dues, now its my right to collect

    2 6.90%
  • Most old people suck

    1 3.45%
  • We should respect our elders and they are the wisest

    9 31.03%
  • Social security should be changed to be on a needs basis

    10 34.48%
  • The legal retirement age for government benefits should be raised

    8 27.59%
  • Old people are better people, it's young people who suck

    8 27.59%
  • They're right, we need lots more restrictions and laws

    0 0%
  • Old people made the most wonderful country in the world

    7 24.14%
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Thread: Are Old People the ruin of this country?

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    Re: Are Old People the ruin of this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    You should be asking yourself if it's moral to outsource monetary care of your aging parents to the federal government and tax payer, rather than taking care of your family yourself. Additionally, you should ask yourself if SS is preferred over personal savings.
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    Re: Are Old People the ruin of this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Why would you ever buy a home you couldn't pay off in ten years? Why would you want to be forced into a substandard rate of return the money going into social security?
    fact is most Middle Class Americans can't afford the payments on a house that can be paid off in 10 years, example a $150,000 home would be a monthly payment of $1,590.98 per month at 5%. You'd have to be a rather high income earner to swing that, and if IIRC I doubt you will get back your fire code improvements you made on your home.

    Most Americans get back more money than they paid into SS AND few if any investments do more than keep pace with inflation, and heaven help you if another market crash happens once you retire. The long term stock market trends are meaningless if the bottom falls out on you.

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    Re: Are Old People the ruin of this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    Oh, that's it? Well there you go, problem solved. I never argued that the it's not still paying out. This is not a discussion about near term solvency. That's the problem with short sighted views. Until it runs out. If SS was significantly less than the monster it is today, then people would save and invest significantly more...like people used to do.

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    Ummm social security was around in 1950, personal savings isn't affected by Social Security.

    The problem CAN be solved once everyone quits demanding it be ended so more money gets dumped into very rich and looking to get richer fund manager's hands. The short sighted view is to see Baby Boomers as the forever trend and not something temporary.

    What 'monster'??? You just seem to be rolling out vague opinion. Fact is there is no real sound investment for the middle class that is as stable or dependable as Social Security- it isn't a wealth generator, it is a social safeguard. The stock market and housing market is not stable or a social safety net.

    Fact is your financial future isn't hindered by Social Security and to make any real wealth you need to invest far more, and should be able to- unless the employment market collapses, you have kids, they get sick.... yanno what we tend to call LIFE happens....

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    Re: Are Old People the ruin of this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Ummm social security was around in 1950, personal savings isn't affected by Social Security.

    The problem CAN be solved once everyone quits demanding it be ended so more money gets dumped into very rich and looking to get richer fund manager's hands. The short sighted view is to see Baby Boomers as the forever trend and not something temporary.

    What 'monster'??? You just seem to be rolling out vague opinion. Fact is there is no real sound investment for the middle class that is as stable or dependable as Social Security- it isn't a wealth generator, it is a social safeguard. The stock market and housing market is not stable or a social safety net.

    Fact is your financial future isn't hindered by Social Security and to make any real wealth you need to invest far more, and should be able to- unless the employment market collapses, you have kids, they get sick.... yanno what we tend to call LIFE happens....
    Funny, you haven't supported a single thing you've said with facts, and somehow I'm the one rolling out vague opinion. Priceless.

    My financial future is hindered by SS because if socialist leaning liberals get the better of the argument then extraordinary measures will have to be taken at my financial expense to help pay for the boomer generation. I really don't expect this 'benefit' to go away because it will be political suicide to try it. I hope it is gutted vice robbing my generation to pay for the necessary funds to keep it running in its current state.

    Until you qualify your statements about SS being a better investment than stocks (what a load of BS, what you really mean is 'SS is a better investment than stocks if you don't want to save for retirement yourself), all I hear is "blah blah blah, opinion, blah blah, emotional talking points."

    What we should do is make participation in this program voluntary starting at the age of 30ish. That way, socialist leaning liberals can have 8-10 years of robbing from the young, and then that person can decide whether they want the ponzi scheme to continue hoping it will benefit the at some point, or get out and keep that money to save and invest themselves. (You're probably shuddering with anger at the thought someone might choose personal financial accountability over 'shared sacrifice.')

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    Re: Are Old People the ruin of this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Actually, many people get back far more than they ever paid in.
    Kinda, sorta ... if you do straight math, you're right ... but if you do an economic analysis, and consider buying power, you will never get even. The dollar you put in when you were 21 will never grow enough to be worth a dollar today.

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    Re: Are Old People the ruin of this country?

    I blame the persons responsible for starting the social security system the way that is was not the people who had no choice but to be involved in the system.

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    Re: Are Old People the ruin of this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    what was that film where they secretly killed old people and fed them to society?
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    Another "solution" is from Logan's Run - kill them before they get old.
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    Re: Are Old People the ruin of this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
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    Re: Are Old People the ruin of this country?

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    Funny, you haven't supported a single thing you've said with facts, and somehow I'm the one rolling out vague opinion. Priceless. My financial future is hindered by SS because if socialist leaning liberals get the better of the argument then extraordinary measures will have to be taken at my financial expense to help pay for the boomer generation. I really don't expect this 'benefit' to go away because it will be political suicide to try it. I hope it is gutted vice robbing my generation to pay for the necessary funds to keep it running in its current state. Until you qualify your statements about SS being a better investment than stocks (what a load of BS, what you really mean is 'SS is a better investment than stocks if you don't want to save for retirement yourself), all I hear is "blah blah blah, opinion, blah blah, emotional talking points." What we should do is make participation in this program voluntary starting at the age of 30ish. That way, socialist leaning liberals can have 8-10 years of robbing from the young, and then that person can decide whether they want the ponzi scheme to continue hoping it will benefit the at some point, or get out and keep that money to save and invest themselves. (You're probably shuddering with anger at the thought someone might choose personal financial accountability over 'shared sacrifice.')
    Actually I have used facts, such as the big stock market rise is because of a HUGE stock market collapse.

    I point out if you are retired, depending on stocks for your income the crash would have wiped you out.

    I point out there is a cap on how much payroll can be taxed in SS, and SS is solvent and fixable, no matter the whine some right wingers try and sell us.

    I point out inflation eats up most of the average stock market gain, and the average mortgage is paying triple for the home, a one-off situation where a very few can buy extremely low doesn't make a very universal retirement plan.

    I point out the Baby Boomers is a very rare and unique part of our history not likely to be repeated so the 'crisis' is a temporary one at best.

    Social Security isn't for wealth generation, it is a social safety net, some income during retirement. I don't use emotional talking points, you seem to be the one getting into a lather. As far as shared vs every man for himself. One the one hand we have CONs decrying 'separatism' in a Coke ad but then demanding it in the social safety net...

    NO ONE is stopping you from investing a similar amount as the Social security payroll tax in 'investments'. However adjusting for inflation most investment vehicles are not going to secure the same pay out as Social Security.

    Just an FYI, if you do the math on retirement payments through Social Security most of us who are working toward a comfortable retirement see the fund as half our retirement income, and that's AT BEST. So rest easy, you are not paying for any luxury condos in Boca....

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