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Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

Do You like this version of "America The Beautiful?"


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It's not fiction. I backed my statements that Massachusetts caters to illegal immigrants. Obviously, when you are giving benefits and drivers licenses and such other things to immigrants (mostly illegal ones) who cannot speak any English (cannot read SIGNS either), that is catering to them and certainly NOT encouraging them to learn English.

You still have no evidence that anyone has discouraged any immigrants from learning English
 
You still have no evidence that anyone has discouraged any immigrants from learning English

The things I stated in my last post DO discourage them from learning English.
 
That is absurd and regardless of how diverse your friends are, its rather xenophobic. During the "coolie" system of 1800s, entire areas of cities and towns on the west coast were predominately Cantonese speaking. My step father is of German descent. He was born and grew up in a town in Kansas that was German speaking. There were Scandinavian farming communities in the upper Midwest that predominately spoke Norwegian. With every wave of immigrants over the course of our history, there have always been generational lags in adopting English as their language. This is nothing new.

Those groups were isolated, and thus forced to adopt the local language and culture of the US to get by.

Modern Latino immigrants really aren't facing the same kind of pressure to do so. They can effectively insulate themselves from greater American culture in many parts of the country.

This is only going to get worse as the overall proportion of the population continues to grow.

As to this "alien culture", I am not even sure what that is supposed to be. If you are a southerner and move up north you will bring with you an alien culture. There is no monolithic American culture, we have always been a melting pot where cultures varied greatly between regions and ethnic groups. Why do care anyway? What does it matter?

This simply is not true. People from all regions of the United States have far more in common with one another than they do Mexicans or Latin Americans.
 
I said that they had roughly the same birth rate. Keep up. :roll:

It is not roughly the same. The difference accounts for an almost doubling of population in 50 years, a calculation you stupidly denied.



Not after you factor in death rates and all the other factors that go along with it.

Again, for the foreseeable future, somewhere between half and a third of the growth the United States' Latino population is going to experience will be due to immigration.

This is an undeniable fact.

Of course it's deniable. You've posted nothing to support your inane beliefs.

It was a marginalized minority at best; largely forced to acclimate to US cultural norms. Now, it is displacing American culture, and spreading to further areas as well.

Wrong again. Mexican culture has been mainstream in Texas for as long as there's been a Texas.

No, you are. If the culture in question finds its basis in another country, it is alien.

Latino culture is not an alien culture. It is as american as apple pie, which is an imported symbol

And it's funny how you still insist upon relying upon them yourself.

Yes, and it's wrong when I do it, but OK when you do it, right? :lamo

Complete and total nonsense.

The "culture" of 95% of this nation would be absolutely no different if a single Latino had never set foot in this country.

They were here before white people were. American culture would be very different without their influence on food, music, art, literature, etc.



Slowly, and with difficulties that are being compounded by absurd "multicultural" ideologies like your own.

It's not an ideology. It's reality

The US is, and has always been, multi-cultural. Even you have acknowledged the differences in culture in different parts of the country


And? What's your point.

I don't care what you think about it. It is what it is.

My point is that having friends from a certain group does mean one is not bigoted towards that group.




Again, Sangha. Death rates and other factors take away from most of that. :roll:

Because black people aren't affected by death rates. Only Latinos :lamo
 
Those groups were isolated, and thus forced to adopt the local language and culture of the US to get by.

That makes no sense. If they were isolated, then American culture would not be the local language and culture. Their own language and culture would be.

Modern Latino immigrants really aren't facing the same kind of pressure to do so. They can effectively insulate themselves from greater American culture in many parts of the country.

There have always been large areas with predominately Latino populations, and they have continued to assimilate.
 
No they don't

But like I said, you can continue believing in fiction

Yes they do, but like I said you can keep your head in the sand.
 
Again, because death rates apparently don't exist. :roll:

That is taking into account death rates and life expectancy. I am sorry, but if you do the math, you are wrong on this. Any population growth calculation shows it. In fact, if we return to high rates of Hispanic immigration to this country we will have far more than 100,000,000 in 50 years.

Population growth formulas are well established in science:

How Populations Grow: The Exponential and Logistic Equations | Learn Science at Scitable

Anytime you have a fertility rate that is higher than death rates, you will have exponential population growth over time.

The Hispanic Death Rate per 100,000 in the United States is 558.64.

The Hispanic fertility rate is 2.4. It's all math after that.
 
This simply is not true. People from all regions of the United States have far more in common with one another than they do Mexicans or Latin Americans.

You are obviously not well traveled then.

There is a lot of cultural differences between a Portland Hipster, New Yorker, Rust Belt Midwesterner, Plains States Farmer, Rural Southerner, Northern Non-Religious, Southern Evangelical and so on.
 
Are you claiming that the Hispanic population is NOT the fastest growing here in the United States?

Of course they are, due to high fertility rates. That is my point.
 
It is not roughly the same. The difference accounts for an almost doubling of population in 50 years, a calculation you stupidly denied.

Because it isn't true, obviously. Your "calculations" are flawed. :roll:

I don't think you understand, Sangha. I only bothered trying to reason with you as a formality.

The fact that immigration will soon be the primary source of US population growth is common knowledge.

Immigration Will Fuel Future Population Growth, Census Says

The Latino community simply happens to be one of the groups most strongly benefiting from this fact.

Of course it's deniable. You've posted nothing to support your inane beliefs.

Would you like to prove that mass Latino immigration to the United States will stop at any point in the near future?

Wrong again. Mexican culture has been mainstream in Texas for as long as there's been a Texas.

Nope. American culture has been the mainstream since after the Mexican American War.

Latino culture is not an alien culture. It is as american as apple pie, which is an imported symbol

Spouting blatant nonsense does not make it true.

They were here before white people were. American culture would be very different without their influence on food, music, art, literature, etc.

Nonsense. Prove it.

It's not an ideology. It's reality

The US is, and has always been, multi-cultural. Even you have acknowledged the differences in culture in different parts of the country

To the point of not even speaking the same primary languages or considering themselves to be primarily "American?"

Again, Sangha, spouting nonsense as if it were a fact does not make it one.

My point is that having friends from a certain group does mean one is not bigoted towards that group.

Feel free to take that up with my friends then.

Because black people aren't affected by death rates. Only Latinos

And? Look at the difference they make.

Again, black population growth without the influence of immigration is relatively stable. Latino population growth with the addition of immigration is explosive.

That was my point all along. Keep up.
 
You are obviously not well traveled then.

There is a lot of cultural differences between a Portland Hipster, New Yorker, Rust Belt Midwesterner, Plains States Farmer, Rural Southerner, Northern Non-Religious, Southern Evangelical and so on.

^^ this.

I was going to say something similar to this --- what is being assimilated to 'american culture' because we as a country are very different culturaly. If you put a northerner down south, must they adapt to southern living to assimilate themselves? If not, why don't they have the same expectations?
 
^^ this.

I was going to say something similar to this --- what is being assimilated to 'american culture' because we as a country are very different culturaly. If you put a northerner down south, must they adapt to southern living to assimilate themselves? If not, why don't they have the same expectations?

Well, to be fair, we speak the same language and can communicate quite easily with one another. Personally, I don't care if they want to maintain a "separate" culture or identity. I just think it is important that they be able to communicate when it is necessary. If they want to speak in their own languages with their family members, friends, etc., I have no issue with that at all. Most people who want immigrants to have a basic understanding of the English language do not feel this way because of hatred of anyone's culture/traditions or even their language. It just makes sense is all, and it does help to unify us if only a little bit. You are basically isolating yourself from others when you won't learn the dominant language in the country in which you live.
 
I wonder why this is? They have the highest teen pregnancy rate too. I wonder why?

Because they are predominately Catholic, which encourages big families and no birth control. As for teen pregnancy, they might have the highest, but it's certainly a problem all around.
 
Well, to be fair, we speak the same language and can communicate quite easily with one another. Personally, I don't care if they want to maintain a "separate" culture or identity. I just think it is important that they be able to communicate when it is necessary. If they want to speak in their own languages with their family members, friends, etc., I have no issue with that at all. Most people who want immigrants to have a basic understanding of the English language do not feel this way because of hatred of anyone's culture/traditions or even their language. It just makes sense is all, and it does help to unify us if only a little bit. You are basically isolating yourself from others when you won't learn the dominant language in the country in which you live.


Well he was talking about not assimilating to american culture not about speaking English, which is what I was addressing.
 
That makes no sense. If they were isolated, then American culture would not be the local language and culture. Their own language and culture would be.

They were isolated from one another, and from their homelands.

Modern Latino immigrants are not, by and large.

There have always been large areas with predominately Latino populations, and they have continued to assimilate.

I thought you just claimed that "Mexican culture" has always existed in the US? :roll:

That wouldn't be "assimilation."

That is taking into account death rates and life expectancy. I am sorry, but if you do the math, you are wrong on this. Any population growth calculation shows it. In fact, if we return to high rates of Hispanic immigration to this country we will have far more than 100,000,000 in 50 years.

Prove that you factored in death rates. I want to see the calculations.

Going off of your logic here, and the fact that Latino immigration is expected to remain more or less constant, their population growth would be massively over 100 million.

You are obviously not well traveled then.

There is a lot of cultural differences between a Portland Hipster, New Yorker, Rust Belt Midwesterner, Plains States Farmer, Rural Southerner, Northern Non-Religious, Southern Evangelical and so on.

I've traveled and I've met people from all over. None of them are more "alien" than a non-English speaking immigrant.
 
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Because they are predominately Catholic, which encourages big families and no birth control. As for teen pregnancy, they might have the highest, but it's certainly a problem all around.

Well, I think most of "white" Americans (for lack of a better term) and "black" Americans are mostly Catholic too I think (or least some form of christian). I'm not sure though, but I always thought Catholic was the dominant religion among white Americans too.

Also, Christianity discourages premarital sex and single parenthood too. *shrugs*
 
Well he was talking about not assimilating to american culture not about speaking English, which is what I was addressing.

Oh sorry, my mistake. :mrgreen:
 
I wonder why this is? They have the highest teen pregnancy rate too. I wonder why?

Cultural reasons I suspect. I don't know. I think we have too many people in this world as it is. I think people should have less kids and adopt more. Overpopulation puts a greater burden on our environment than anything else.
 
Cultural reasons I suspect. I don't know. I think we have too many people in this world as it is. I think people should have less kids and adopt more. Overpopulation puts a greater burden on our environment than anything else.

Too many CRAZY people! :lol:
 
Well he was talking about not assimilating to american culture not about speaking English, which is what I was addressing.

To be fair, I was speaking about both.

Failure to adopt English as a primary language is a sign of failure of to adapt to the greater culture.

Well, I think most of "white" Americans (for lack of a better term) and "black" Americans are mostly Catholic too I think (or least some form of christian). I'm not sure though, but I always thought Catholic was the dominant religion among white Americans too.

Protestantism is the largest religious affiliation in the United States for blacks and whites alike. It simply happens to be split up between dozens of different denominations.

Catholicism is the largest single denomination of Christianity in the United States.

Also, Christianity discourages premarital sex and single parenthood too. *shrugs*

Yup. The problem is a lack of genuine religious conviction.
 
Well, I think most of "white" Americans (for lack of a better term) and "black" Americans are mostly Catholic too I think (or least some form of Christian). I'm not sure though, but I always thought Catholic was the dominant religion among white Americans too.

Also, Christianity discourages premarital sex and single parenthood too. *shrugs*

I don't have time to look up all the info, but I seem to remember seeing something about Catholicism being on the decline, especially practicing Catholics and from what I know African Americans are not majority Catholic at all.

Christians and branches of that religion do typically seem to have larger than normal families.
 
To be fair, I was speaking about both.

Failure to adopt English as a primary language is a sign of failure of to adapt to the greater culture.



Protestantism is the largest religious affiliation in the United States for blacks and whites alike. It simply happens to be split up between dozens of different denominations.

Catholicism is the largest single denomination of Christianity in the United States.



Yup. The problem is a lack of genuine religious conviction.

I couldn't say. I know plenty of people that are not religious who are married and were not single parents or teen parents, and PLENTY of people who were raised in "religious" families who ended up being teen moms/single parents. I think religious people like to think that it does, but I really don't think religion itself plays a role in such things but more your upbringing and environment in general. Non-religious people can be good people too.
 
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