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Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

Do You like this version of "America The Beautiful?"


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It shouldn't be an issue though. Why is it an issue when the kid singing the national anthem has Mexican heritage? Why is it an issue if Cheerios has an ad with an interracial family - there's interracial families all over the place.

Well, like I said earlier in the thread, I don't really have an issue with the commercial itself. I don't know about the Cheerios ad, and interracial families don't bother me at all. This particular ad though, has some people feeling as if some sectors of our community might be encouraging immigrants to remain ignorant of English. Heritage is not really the issue at all.
 
Well, like I said earlier in the thread, I don't really have an issue with the commercial itself. I don't know about the Cheerios ad, and interracial families don't bother me at all. This particular ad though, has some people feeling as if some sectors of our community might be encouraging immigrants to remain ignorant of English. Heritage is not really the issue at all.

And yet, I haven't seen one example of anyone being discouraged from learning English and according to the poll that was posted 90% of all Latinos say that learning English is very important.
 
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Yes, that's why you keep responding...because you don't care :roll:

That must be the oldest line on the internet!

No, I don't care about your arguments, because they're laughably wrong.

It doesn't mean I don't care about the issue, or will fail to point the above fact out to you as many times as is necessary to drive the point home. :lol:

You haven't shown how many american born Latina women there are, so once again you're just making up #'s

Again, Sangha, this is simple mathematics here. If the Latino community is roughly the same size as the Black community, and has roughly the same birthrate, why is one expected to double in size over the course of the next fifty years, where the other remains virtually stagnant?

If they're not popping out of vaginas, where are all those extra people coming from?

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And Latinos are more established, and for a longer time, than your ancestors are.

Derp! Prove it.

You're the one whose hysteria has made you repeatedly conflate words and #'s together as if they were all the same. You have demonstrated an inability to distinguish differences.

Blah, blah, blah. All you've demonstrated is an inability to make viable counter-arguments.

And by claiming that people who are born in the US are not natives simply because they are Latino you prove your inability to understand the meaning of simply defined words. Anyone who was born in the US is a US native.....by definition.

"Native cultural groups," Sangha. Do try to keep up. :roll:

It doesn't matter where you were born, if you are not making an attempt to integrate yourself into the local culture.

And I live next to a town that is majority Latino. Many are not citizens. Almost all of them speak english.

Unverifiable personal anecdote for the win!

And another sign that your beliefs are so bigoted is your requirement that Latinos drop their old ways almost entirely when no other ethnic group has to do so in order to be considered "American"

Everyone else did it. Hell! My ancestors did it.

What the Hell makes Latinos think they are so special?

"In Rome do as the Romans do." If they want to be unique little flowers, they can do so somewhere else.
 
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And yet, I haven't seen one example of anyone being discouraged from learning English and according to the poll that was posted 90% of all Latinos say that learning English is very important.

Well, why aren't they learning it then? If it was so important, you would think this wouldn't be an issue, yet it is. So common sense would tell me, that the sources posted suck and are not accurate. Besides, people lie on poll questions all the time.

Heck, maybe they didn't even understand the question if it was asked in English? :2razz: I used to work with an illegal immigrant (or at least I believed him to be an illegal), and he faced the clock at our work station (this was when I was like 15), and every time I asked him what time it was, he would answer either say "yes" or "no." :lol:
 
It shouldn't be an issue though. Why is it an issue when the kid singing the national anthem has Mexican heritage? Why is it an issue if Cheerios has an ad with an interracial family - there's interracial families all over the place.

1) why are you equating the two

2) why do you keep ignoring that the perceived message of a a piece of media could be distinct to those performing in it?
 
wouldn't a better question be why you are equating discussion of the cheerio add and this one? Do you think discussion of immigration policy and miscegenation are on an equal footing, or are you trying to equivocate between things to make a cheap accusation of racism?



So you're asking why people would discuss something that deviates from the norm compared to something that doesn't? Also, do you think people wouldn't discuss a similar add that had russians singing the national anthem in their native tongue, or was the default assumption of racism too easy?

You're getting awfully defensive here. I must have struck a nerve. Settle down, I didn't say conservatives were racist, and I didn't say you were either. Why are you so defensive of the people that are racists.

I doubt that Russians singing the national anthem in Russian would be anything other than a joke, besides which nobody sang the national anthem in this ad. Think of it this way - if the Coke ad had been a bunch of blonde chicks singing "God Bless America" you'd be praising their patriotism. But one line was in Spanish and you're having a freaking conniption about the "percieved message" and going really overboard to defend yourself against accusations of racism that weren't made.
 
No, I don't care about your arguments, because they're laughably wrong.

It doesn't mean I don't care about the issue, or will fail to point the above fact out to you as many times as is necessary to drive the point home. :lol:

Yes, you don't care. That's why you keep responding :roll:

Again, Sangha, this is simple mathematics here. If the Latino community is roughly the same size as the Black community, and has roughly the same birthrate, why is one expected to double in size over the course of the next fifty years, where the other remains virtually stagnant.

If they're not popping out of vaginas, where are all those extra people coming from?


Latinos have a higher birth rate than blacks. Almost double

Number of Live Births by Race/Ethnicity | The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation


Derp! Prove it.

Latinos have been in the US since before it was the US. Ever hear of Texas? Who do you think lived there before white people moved there?

"Native cultural groups," Sangha. Do try to keep up. :roll:

It doesn't matter where you were born, if you are not making an attempt to integrate yourself into the local culture.

Mexicans are a native cultural group. They have lived in territory that is now the US longer than white people have.


Unverifiable personal anecdote for the win!

Well, it's not verifiable for someone who has never been to NYC where the are large Latino communities where most speak English.




Everyone else did it. Hell! My ancestors did it.

No they didn't


What the Hell makes Latinos think they are so special?

"In Rome do as the Romans do." If they want to be unique little flowers, they can do so somewhere else.

Ahh, the old "but those people are different". That's not too bigoted. :roll:
 
Well, why aren't they learning it then? If it was so important, you would think this wouldn't be an issue, yet it is. So common sense would tell me, that the sources posted suck and are not accurate. Besides, people lie on poll questions all the time.

They are learning English.
 
1) why are you equating the two

2) why do you keep ignoring that the perceived message of a a piece of media could be distinct to those performing in it?

Why do you keep going on about the "percieved message" like there's this big conspiracy against you? It was designed to sell more Coke. Does that offend you for some reason?

You're clearly incapable of dealing with the larger issue like an adult here.
 
No, I don't care about your arguments, because they're laughably wrong.

It doesn't mean I don't care about the issue, or will fail to point the above fact out to you as many times as is necessary to drive the point home. :lol:



Again, Sangha, this is simple mathematics here. If the Latino community is roughly the same size as the Black community, and has roughly the same birthrate, why is one expected to double in size over the course of the next fifty years, where the other remains virtually stagnant.

If they're not popping out of vaginas, where are all those extra people coming from?

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Hispanic birth rates are higher than black birth rates in the United States. Black birth rates are 2.1 kids per black woman which is basically replacement rate, while Hispanic birth rates are 2.4 births per Hispanic woman. If you extrapolate that over 50 years it will indeed lead to a significant difference in population growth rates.

You then have to look at how many young childbearing age Hispanic women there are versus other demographics.

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2012/05/17/explaining-why-minority-births-now-outnumber-white-births/

That said, I would imagine that over the coming decades both groups birth rates will fall in line with whites and asians and their population growth rate will slow.
 
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Yeah, "Some of my best friends are immigrants" :roll:

Maybe he does. Who are you to say? Do you hang out with Gathomas and his friends?
 
Hispanic birth rates are higher than black birth rates in the United States. Black birth rates are 2.1 kids per black woman which is basically replacement rate, while Hispanic birth rates are 2.4 births per Hispanic woman. If you extrapolate that over 50 years it will indeed lead to a significant difference in population growth rates.

You then have to look at how many young childbearing age Hispanic women their are versus other demographics.

Explaining Why Minority Births Now Outnumber White Births | Pew Social & Demographic Trends

That said, I would imagine that over the coming decades both groups birth rates will fall in line with whites and asians and their population growth rate will slow.

His beliefs are so bigoted that he can't even recognize the difference between actual #'s like 2.1 and 2.4
 
You're getting awfully defensive here.

No, I just find your attempts to equivocate two things that are not alike and refusal to justify the comparison annoying

I must have struck a nerve. Settle down, I didn't say conservatives were racist, and I didn't say you were either. Why are you so defensive of the people that are racists.

Yes, I find stupid arguments annoying. Second, you're equivocating this discussion to people taking issue over miscegenation. If that isn't calling people racist I don't know what is.


I doubt that Russians singing the national anthem in Russian would be anything other than a joke, besides which nobody sang the national anthem in this ad.

Why would you think that? Because your assumption is that people are taking offense because they are racist

Think of it this way - if the Coke ad had been a bunch of blonde chicks singing "God Bless America" you'd be praising their patriotism. But one line was in Spanish and you're having a freaking conniption about the "percieved message" and going really overboard to defend yourself against accusations of racism that weren't made.

1) so you're not calling me racist, only implying that I have an issue with the ethnicity of the people in the ad?

2) I made clear from the beginning that I thought the reaction to the add was silly. What I am doing is discussing immigration policy
 

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It's hardly like they're popping out 5 or 6 children per woman like the Indians were doing thirty years ago here.

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A population simply does not double in less than 50 years on a 2 children per woman fertility rate alone. That is due to the contribution made by immigration.

Latinos have been in the US since before it was the US. Ever hear of Texas? Who do you think lived there before white people moved there?


Mexicans are a native cultural group. They have lived in territory that is now the US longer than white people have.

Which is why we conquered those areas, and displaced their local cultures, replacing them with our own.

The simple fact of the matter is that Latino immigrants are not "culturally American" and never have been. They are alien.

Well, it's not verifiable for someone who has never been to NYC where the are large Latino communities where most speak English.

No they didn't

I don't speak Italian or German even as a second language, and I don't fly an Irish flag outside of my home.

Try again.

Ahh, the old "but those people are different". That's not too bigoted. :roll:

Again, it's our country. It's our culture.

If they're not willing to "play ball," they frankly have no business being here.

Every other immigrant group past and present seemed to understand this basic fact well enough. What makes Latinos so special that they need to be deliberately coddled so that they don't "lose their culture?"

I'm sorry, but I really couldn't care less about their culture. When they move to a new country, it should be expected to change.

Yeah, "Some of my best friends are immigrants"

Believe what you want.

I've got pics, so it most assured did happen. :lol:
 
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1) so you're not calling me racist, only implying that I have an issue with the ethnicity of the people in the ad?

Tell you what. Post a quote where I said you were a racist. Otherwise, you're just blowing hot air.

2) I made clear from the beginning that I thought the reaction to the add was silly. What I am doing is discussing immigration policy

So you're vociferously arguing with me because I implied that people who have that reaction are racist. Since that's not you, what's your problem?
 
wow, the one is the yellow sunglasses looks very similar to one of my brothers. Weird!

they all must look the same to you too!

PS Where was the holi celebration?
 
They are learning English.

Even if they the older generation are not learning alot of English, ALL of their children are. Take for instance my next door neighbors who came over a couple years ago and can communicate ok in English, are very into the "latino culture", and yet their children are the exact opposite. The kids watch American tv, speak mostly English, and are for the most part are assimilated. When their parents dress up in cowboy boots and hats and start singing Vicente Fernandez at the top of their lungs during cookouts, they look at them like they are aliens (haha)

I find that to be typical of most of my family, other neighbors, and friends as well. They can come back to us with all the surveys they want, that's just what I see in the actual community.
 
So what?

They still have a below avg of Latinos.

My point is that in Massachusetts, there is a large segment of the population in Massachusetts that wants to coddle illegal immigrants. This shows in their economic situations, their level of employment (or lack of), and non-English speakers are very common here in Massachusetts.

What's your point?
 
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