Sangha said:
They are learning english and assimilating.
I can provide dozens of sources showing that Latino immigration to the United States has been problematic.
NY Times
Only 15% of Latino adults say they speak English as their primary language.
According to studies on the subject, only 23% of first generation immigrants speak English well, and more than 12% of second generation immigrants still struggle with it.
On the flip side of that, more and more Americans are actually being
forced to learn Spanish simply to get by.
Mandatory School Spanish Classes Anger Texas Parents
What is the future of Spanish in the United States?
Furthermore, a great many Latinos don't primarily identify themselves as being "American," but still primarily identify with their country of origin.
When Labels Don’t Fit: Hispanics and Their Views of Identity
When it comes to describing their identity, most Hispanics prefer their family’s country of origin over pan-ethnic terms. Half (51%) say that most often they use their family’s country of origin to describe their identity. That includes such terms as “Mexican” or “Cuban” or “Dominican,” for example. Just one-quarter (24%) say they use the terms “Hispanic” or “Latino” to most often to describe their identity. And 21% say they use the term “American” most often.
Roughly half of them do not view themselves as being "typical Americans" either.
Latinos are split on whether they see themselves as a typical American. Nearly half (47%) say they are a typical American, while another 47% say they are very different from the typical American. Foreign-born Hispanics are less likely than native-born Hispanics to say they are a typical American—34% versus 66%.
They also insist on clinging to the Spanish language once they arrive.
Hispanics also want future U.S. Hispanic generations to speak Spanish. Fully 95% of Hispanics believe it is very important (75%) or somewhat important (20%) for future generations of Hispanics in the U.S. to be able to speak Spanish.
Beyond even that, roughly two thirds of Mexican immigrants who are eligible for citizenship choose not to take it.
The Path Not Taken: Two-thirds of Legal Mexican Immigrants are not U.S. Citizens
Many of them also insist on clinging to national symbols of their old nations, like flags.
Opinions split over red, white and green (Houston Principal flies Mexican Flag at School)
I'm sorry, but the simple fact of the matter here is that these kinds of problems were virtually
unheard of with previous waves of immigrants to this country.
Hell! They are unheard for
current waves of non-Hispanic immigrants.
Far be it from me to claim that all Latino immigrants to the United States are trouble makers and should be barred entrance. I don't believe anything of the kind. I'm sure that a great many of them legitimately do want to integrate into our culture and become productive members of our society.
The problem here, is that there also exists a sizeable element of the Latino immigrant community that
does not want to integrate and could really care less about American culture, or American national identity.
That is a problem which needs to be dealt with. The last thing mainstream American culture needs to be doing right now is encouraging such people in their obstinacy.
This is
especially the case given the fact that these immigrant populations are well on their way to outnumbering established native born groups. This fact will only lead them to face less and less pressure to assimilate as time goes on and their overall representation in the general population continues to increase.
You have no stats. All you showed was that you confuse "white people" with "Americans"
You are lying, as usual.
Again, the African American community is projected to remain more or less stagnant over the course of the next fifty years (growing in proportion from 13% of the overall population to 14%), while the white community is expected to decline (dropping from almost 70% of the overall population to 50% or less), while the Latino and Asian communities basically double in size due immigration (from a little over 10% to more than 20% and from 5% to 8%, respectively).
That is a
net loss in proportional representation and relative size for the native population of the United States in relation to immigrant populations. 1% proportional population growth among the African American population does not counter a 20% proportional population decrease among the white population.
This is simple mathematics, Sangha. Do try to keep up.
So far, he has yet to acknowledge his mistake so I can only assume that he stands by it
Clearly, because I never made a "mistake" in the first place. You have simply completely failed to understand my argument. :roll:
That would require honesty on your part
Oh! The irony! :lamo
Seems as simple as the question:
GA Thomas: do you conflate "native born Americans" with "whites", or when you define "American" , do you mean the standard that you have already described of speaking the language, taking part in the culture, holding to our founding values, etc?
Absolutely not.
As Sangha seems to have so conveniently forgotten here (as he often does :roll: ), I actually praised the Asian American population for their approach to immigration and assimilation around the thirty page mark of this very thread.
I'm not saying that they all are. There are plenty of hard working immigrants in this country who seem to legitimately understand how to become productive members of our society.
Asian Americans, for instance; seem to "get" the idea behind assimilation remarkably well on average. They have prospered (some times, even to a greater extent than native born Americans) as such.
However, you cannot really deny that there are some immigrant populations out there which seem to struggle with this concept, and that this can be a legitimate problem.
The last thing we need to be doing right now is blatantly encouraging them to persist in such behavior.
Sangha is simply engaging in his usual dishonesty and throwing out race baiting red herrings.