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Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

Do You like this version of "America The Beautiful?"


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What I don't understand is why people think that just because you use another language in life that you don't know English. Why is it that singing this song in different languages is some how a problem for anyone? The commercial showed what America looks like in the vast majority of the communities in this country, what is wrong with that?
 
What I don't understand is why people think that just because you use another language in life that you don't know English. Why is it that singing this song in different languages is some how a problem for anyone? The commercial showed what America looks like in the vast majority of the communities in this country, what is wrong with that?

YES!!!!!!!!! BRAVO!!!!!!! LIKE DOZENS of TIMES!!!!!!!!

Why are people so f'n worked up about this?

They're making GINORMOUS assumptions that anyone who speaks (or sings) in a language other than English is completely incapable of speaking (or singing) in English.


That's just stupid.

Bi-lingual.

Some people need to look that term up in the dictionary.
 
YES!!!!!!!!! BRAVO!!!!!!! LIKE DOZENS of TIMES!!!!!!!!

Why are people so f'n worked up about this?

They're making GINORMOUS assumptions that anyone who speaks (or sings) in a language other than English is completely incapable of speaking (or singing) in English.


That's just stupid.

Bi-lingual.

Some people need to look that term up in the dictionary.

I'm not sure anyone made such an assumption.
 
Great point! A+! You sure showed me with that one liner

I'll give you a C- because I cannot imagine reading all that crap.
 
I'm not sure anyone made such an assumption.
There were a series of posts about immigrants being unable to speak English before the thread was dragged entirely off-topic and descended in to the general immigration hate-fest.
 
I am for citizenship for illegal aliens.

Great… I’m headed to your house and will be there when you get home eating your food and using your utilities. Based on your statement you should feel perfectly comfortable with me coming into your home uninvited and against your will.
 
Well no I do not. They can wait then. It is not my responsibility to coddle immigrants. They can pay for their classes or wait for their citizenship like everyone else.

Why on earth anyone thinks it is our responsibility to teach people who want to become immigrants is beyond me. We do that as a favor to be nice.

IOW, the concern you expressed for their safety and well-being was dishonest. The truth is, you don't want them to be safe by learning english. That was just an excuse for you to rationalize the xenophobia
 
You're late to the party. We've already discussed exemptions, and they are because of disabilities, and even those people have to pass some tests which are in English.

No, there are other exclusions, such as age.


Your posts are just full of fail
 
No, the primary concern here is the failure of many Latino immigrants to assimilate into American society.

No, that is a primary paranoid delusion. Latinos do assimilate

That problem is only going to get worse as the native US population continues to decline in relation to the immigrant population.

The US native population isn't, and will not, decline in relation to the immigrant population. Once again, you are conflating "white people" with "American" due to xenophobia

If they do not speak our language, obey our laws, adopt the fundamental aspects of our culture, or value their American identity over the national identity they possessed before immigration, they are NOT "American." They are foreigners.

It is as simple as that.

And as untrue as your belief that "american" means "white people"
 
No, that is a primary paranoid delusion. Latinos do assimilate

As evidenced by their failure to learn our language, assimilate to the customs of the culture around them, or embrace a primarily "American" national identity. :roll:

Prove that many Latino immigrants do not fail to assimilate.

The US native population isn't, and will not, decline in relation to the immigrant population.

The statistics say that you are not only wrong, but stupidly wrong.

Try again.

Once again, you are conflating "white people" with "American" due to xenophobia

No, I am conflating Americans with "Americans."

The simple act of living somewhere does not make you a "native" of that area, or a member of its community.

And as untrue as your belief that "american" means "white people"

If you moved to France, refused to learn the language, refused to adopt the culture, and embraced no sense of patriotism whatsoever for the French nation or way of life, preferring to cling to the trappings of your old nation instead, would you consider yourself to be "French?"

Even if you were foolish enough to do so, no one else would. They would view you as being an arrogant tourist, and be absolutely correct to do so.
 
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I think I read into it exactly what was meant; "we're all Americans, we simply speak different languages, and have different cultures."

Again, that's fine. What I object to is the notion that this is a desirable thing in and of itself. Assimilation, and the unity it creates, should be the goal, not "multiculturalism," and the ethnic factionalism in which it always inevitably results.

I don't think the ad itself was overly political. I was simply uncomfortable with its premise.
Precisely. The idea is E Plurbus Unum, not E Plurbus, Plurbus.
 
And as untrue as your belief that "american" means "white people"

He defined American as:

Gathomas88 said:
speak our language, obey our laws, adopt the fundamental aspects of our culture, or value their American identity over the national identity they possessed before immigration

Now, this is an interesting depiction of anothers' logic.

Now, my small-group leadership couple at my old church spoke english, obeyed american laws, followed the major fundamental aspects of our culture (except that he was a Steelers fan, but I forgave him for that), etc; but were black. Given that both were born American citizens, what nation do you think he would say they were from? The other couple did all the same, but he was a first-generation immigrant from Mexico, and she was second-generation. He was earning citizenship through service in the military. I would say they were pretty much American, and so would Gathomas. Being American isn't about race, it's about values, culture, and participation. But you cannot form a community with people with whom you cannot communicate - and the encouragement of recent immigrant populations (unlike previous waves) to avoid learning English is crippling them, and harming them from being able to advance.

You are just race-baiting because you are devoid of any intellectual argument.
 
Great… I’m headed to your house and will be there when you get home eating your food and using your utilities. Based on your statement you should feel perfectly comfortable with me coming into your home uninvited and against your will.

Sure, I'm comfortable with that.
I'm also comfortable shooting you in the head once I come home to find you as an intruder.
 
As evidenced by their failure to learn our language, assimilate to the customs of the culture around them, or embrace a primarily "American" national identity. :roll:

Prove that many Latino immigrants do not fail to assimilate.

They are learning english and assimilating.

Prove that they aren't




The statistics say that you are not only wrong, but stupidly wrong.

Try again.

You have no stats. All you showed was that you confuse "white people" with "Americans"




No, I am conflating Americans with "Americans."

Nope. American does not mean "white"

The simple act of living somewhere does not make you a "native" of that area, or a member of its community.

Latino does not mean "not born in the US"
 
He defined American as:



Now, this is an interesting depiction of anothers' logic.

And your post is a not so interesting example of what happens when someone tries to jump in the middle of a discussion without understanding what has been said

Gath clearly believes that "native born american" means "white people" because when he was challenged on his claim that the native born population of americans was decreasing, he posted a stat about the population of white people in the US

Take a look:
And where in our nation's history have native populations ever been in blatant decline while immigration surged? :roll:

Our native population is not in decline.



If I asked you for stats about the native born population of the US, would you post stats about the # of white people in the US?
 
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And your post is a not so interesting example of what happens when someone tries to jump in the middle of a discussion without understanding what has been said

Gath clearly believes that "native born american" means "white people" because when he was challenged on his claim that the native born population of americans was decreasing, he posted a stat about the population of white people in the US


If I asked you for stats about the native born population of the US, would you post stats about the # of white people in the US?

Well, feel free to ask him - does he think that "native born American" means "white people"? Or are you trying to paint someone you disagree with offensively in order to delegitimize opposition to your position?
 
Well, feel free to ask him - does he think that "native born American" means "white people"? Or are you trying to paint someone you disagree with offensively in order to delegitimize opposition to your position?

I am responding to what he said. Take a look for yourself:

And where in our nation's history have native populations ever been in blatant decline while immigration surged? :roll:

Our native population is not in decline.


So far, he has yet to acknowledge his mistake so I can only assume that he stands by it
 
I am responding to what he said. Take a look for yourself:


Seems as simple as the question:

GA Thomas: do you conflate "native born Americans" with "whites", or when you define "American" , do you mean the standard that you have already described of speaking the language, taking part in the culture, holding to our founding values, etc?
 
Seems as simple as the question:

GA Thomas: do you conflate "native born Americans" with "whites", or when you define "American" , do you mean the standard that you have already described of speaking the language, taking part in the culture, holding to our founding values, etc?

Either way, he's wrong. After all, plenty of non-white immigrants speak the language take part in the culture and hold to our values, but I don't expect you to admit the obvious implication of Gath trying to show that the native born population is decreasing because the # of white people who died was greater than the # of white people who were born.

That would require honesty on your part
 
There were a series of posts about immigrants being unable to speak English

Yes and data was provided here that indicates there are cities where 10% of the population does not know english. So what is your point?
 
Didn't read the whole thread, but look… based on my personal experience living a big city and growing up around and in a large immigrant community, a lot of first generation immigrants (especially adults, not little kids) don't speak the best of english. Most of them will get better as they live here, the children assimilate quickly, and their children born here will learn english and be fluent, if not bilingual. By the time their children have children, the grandchildren don't care much about the traditions of the "old country" and they think grandma's food is weird.

Many languages die and go extinct. It happens all the time.

Immigrants are not a threat to America. They never have been. :lol:

America is supposed to be for immigrants seeking opportunity and freedom. At no point since the signing of the Constitution have America's freedoms or Constitution been threatened or nearly destroyed by immigrants (i.e. the purpose of coming to America in the first place).

Children should study and be encouraged to study foreign languages. It will help them in the professional world and in a global economy. You are not betraying the country if you study a foreign language.
 
Didn't read the whole thread, but look… based on my personal experience living a big city and growing up around and in a large immigrant community, a lot of first generation immigrants (especially adults, not little kids) don't speak the best of english. Most of them will get better as they live here, the children assimilate quickly, and their children born here will learn english and be fluent, if not bilingual. By the time their children have children, the grandchildren don't care much about the traditions of the "old country" and they think grandma's food is weird.

Past immigration waves actually faced pressures to assimilate. For example, the state did not make provisions to accommodate non-English speakers until quite recently. And the fact that new immigrant waves are less diverse than previous ones (Mexicans represent 30% of new immigrants) makes clustering more likely, which hinders cultural, linguistic, and economic integration for obvious reasons

Immigrants are not a threat to America. They never have been. :lol:

No one suggested they were. Types of immigration were suggested as putting negative pressures on people and societies

America is supposed to be for immigrants seeking opportunity and freedom. At no point since the signing of the Constitution have America's freedoms or Constitution been threatened or nearly destroyed by immigrants (i.e. the purpose of coming to America in the first place).

You're appealing to tradition here. Economic situations change. We no longer have a need for a bunch of immigrants to fill manufacturing jobs

Children should study and be encouraged to study foreign languages. It will help them in the professional world and in a global economy. You are not betraying the country if you study a foreign language.

again, no one suggested this
 
You know the woman who wrote the words to this song was a lesbian. Right? How you guys feel about that one?
 
The problem with the legal immigrants, perhaps not entirely their fault, is that the American people were not asked to vote on whether or not Americans wanted immigration from Mexico and Asia in such huge numbers that virtually all aspects of the traditional American culture would be changed forever.

This was such a fundamental change to the United States that the American people should have been asked to consent or not. Instead, the borders were opened wide and any Americans who objected were labeled racists, bigots, xenophobia and other vile names.

It is unprecedented in history for a government to destroy its own culture in this manner. It would be strange if there were not enormous resentment.

Actually they have doing similar things in Europe also, and for the same reasons. Third world countries are seldom as inviting or generous. The same disease seems to have struck the western world, and all around the same time.
 
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