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Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

Do You like this version of "America The Beautiful?"

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ChrisL said:
Are you kidding? That is ridiculous. Of COURSE, they have to be able to read, write and speak English in order to become a legalized citizen. How will they get a job and work? How can they read signs? Just a couple of issues there.
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They should have to speak the language to a point unless claiming refugee status. Being fluent is unreasonable.
 
Grant said:
It seems there are some non-Americans who feel they have the power to tell Americans which laws they should enact and follow. Even an even tempered fellow like myself might get annoyed with this lot. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/04/u...hey-may-be-open-to-a-gop-compromise.html?_r=0
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Okay, now here is where we might run into a bit of disagreement. I am not necessarily against amnestying children of illegal immigrants who were born and/or raised in this country. I just think it would be terrible to send a kid to his/her supposed "home country" when they really never even lived in that country and have only ever lived here.

I'm really kind of torn on this particular issue when it comes to the children of immigrants, because they are kind of victims too.
 
Carjosse said:
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They should have to speak the language to a point unless claiming refugee status. Being fluent is unreasonable.
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I didn't say fluent. I stated earlier in the thread that immigrants should have at least a compulsory knowledge of English, including reading and writing. It is a requirement in this country anyway. People who cannot speak, read or write any English are more than likely going to be illegal.
 
APACHERAT said:
It's hyphen-Americanism and as one of the most famous progressives said, "But a hyphenated American is not an American at all.”

Showing the Huntington Beach Pier was All American. :2usflag:

I might be switching from Coke to Shasta Cola.
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I worked for 15 years at Coca-Cola, but this stuff I do not drink.:mrgreen:
 
ChrisL said:
Okay, now here is where we might run into a bit of disagreement. I am not necessarily against amnestying children of illegal immigrants who were born and/or raised in this country. I just think it would be terrible to send a kid to his/her supposed "home country" when they really never even lived in that country and have only ever lived here.

I'm really kind of torn on this particular issue when it comes to the children of immigrants, because they are kind of victims too.
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Agreed, but the problem with that is it encourages illegals to get here and then quickly have an 'anchor child' to secure their place.
 
cpgrad08 said:
Naw I think we should go with Latin.
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Ave imperator! Pax Americana ad infinitum! :lol:

Goshin said:
If I moved to Paris and applied for a work permit with intention of becoming a French citizen, one of the first and biggest items on my agenda would be "learn to speak French quickly and then work hard at mastering it!"


Can't really be a Frenchman if you don't frigging speak French...
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Yup.

If I were to migrate to Germany, and make no effort to learn the language, adopt local customs, or even associate with native born German persons, I would not be worthy of being called a "German citizen." I would simply be an American living in Germany, and rightly looked down upon as being kind of an arrogant ass as such.
 
ChrisL said:
Okay, now here is where we might run into a bit of disagreement. I am not necessarily against amnestying children of illegal immigrants who were born and/or raised in this country. I just think it would be terrible to send a kid to his/her supposed "home country" when they really never even lived in that country and have only ever lived here.

I'm really kind of torn on this particular issue when it comes to the children of immigrants, because they are kind of victims too.
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Children born on American soil should be naturalized citizens anyway. I certainly wouldn't support tossing them to the wolves simply because of the actions of their parents.
 
Goshin said:
Agreed, but the problem with that is it encourages illegals to get here and then quickly have an 'anchor child' to secure their place.
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That might be true, but I just don't feel right about sending a kid back to a country that he/she never actually lived in, especially the ones (which is probably most) that have become more Americanized, and this is the only place they've ever called home. I don't know of any solutions to this problem, that's a reason why I'm torn about the issue when it comes to the children of illegal immigrants.

Really, they have no one but their parents to blame for the whole fiasco. If the parents were so concerned, they should apply for legal citizenship.
 
Gathomas88 said:
Ave imperator! Pax Americana ad infinitum! :lol:



Yup.

If I were to migrate to Germany, and make no effort to learn the language, adopt local customs, or even associate with native born German persons, I would not be worthy of being called a "German citizen." I would simply be an American living in Germany, and rightly looked down upon as being kind of an arrogant ass as such.
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Exactly.


Citizenship is about far more than simply living here.
 
ChrisL said:
That might be true, but I just don't feel right about sending a kid back to a country that he/she never actually lived in, especially the ones (which is probably most) that have become more Americanized, and this is the only place they've ever called home. I don't know of any solutions to this problem, that's a reason why I'm torn about the issue when it comes to the children of illegal immigrants.

Really, they have no one but their parents to blame for the whole fiasco. If the parents were so concerned, they should apply for legal citizenship.
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I'm actually not opposed to amnesty in this regard, TBH. We simply need to crack down on illegal immigration, so we don't have to deal with such problems in the first place.
 
Especially when our very own "English-Speakers" can't speak the language very well either.
And having them write it, don't ask a math student to put into English words how they did the Math problem, a new part of common-core.
Not if you don't want to be traumatized.

Goshin said:
That's part of the problem:
some people seem to think we're being horrific terrible bigots if we expect them to learn to speak English. :roll:
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For those Spanish-speakers entering Kindergarten and other grades, I do believe in the tests having a Spanish translation.
Almost exclusively, their parents Cannot even speak English, let alone actually speak it at home.
I prefer the kids be accurately placed in Math and Science .
 
ChrisL said:
Okay, now here is where we might run into a bit of disagreement. I am not necessarily against amnestying children of illegal immigrants who were born and/or raised in this country. I just think it would be terrible to send a kid to his/her supposed "home country" when they really never even lived in that country and have only ever lived here.

I'm really kind of torn on this particular issue when it comes to the children of immigrants, because they are kind of victims too.
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Actually we are not in disagreement and we share the same ideals. What bothers me, okay what amuses me, is their demanding tone and suggestions of 'compromise'. Where did they learn that?

Court Considers “Mexican Heritage Day” US Flag Ban, School Fears Offended Hispanic Punks Violent Reactions

There are other examples but this was the first I googled.
 
Grant said:
Actually we are not in disagreement and we share the same ideals. What bothers me, okay what amuses me, is their demanding tone and suggestions of 'compromise'. Where did they learn that?

Court Considers “Mexican Heritage Day” US Flag Ban, School Fears Offended Hispanic Punks Violent Reactions

There are other examples but this was the first I googled.
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yeah, that's really wrong, letting these children intimidate the schools like that? Obviously they aren't learning the right way to behave and get along, that's for sure.
 
Arcana XV said:
Seven percent of Americans don't speak English - San Francisco Bay Area Moderate Conservative | Examiner.com

I'm assuming that's not counting illegal immigrants. Wow.
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This is about people speaking a second language in addition to English. From your link.

This should not surprise too many Americans, but the number of people in the United States speaking another language other than English at home has nearly tripled since 1980.

The statistic far outpaces the overall population growth.

According a new report from the Census Bureau, some 60.6 million people, nearly 1 in 5 people age 5 or older, speak a language other than English in 2011, up from 23 million in 1980.
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This is not the problem that I have. My problem is when immigrants cannot speak English at all.
 
Now, these numbers are very low, but this is part of the problem. This problem with English contributes to our overall poverty.

Here are the shocking statistics:

- Those speaking a language other than English at home (7 percent), said they spoke English "not at all," including 9.7 percent of Chinese speakers and 9 percent of Spanish speakers. Another 15.4 percent of those who speak another language at home said they spoke English "not well."

- Among those who speak a language other than English at home, nearly two-thirds or 37.6 million speak Spanish, up from 11 million in 1980.
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I followed the thread last night until around post #140 and didn't post.
I wanted to see whether I still agreed with your points on assimilation and
different cultures being more to themselves today compared to 100 years ago.
I see this as a problem in our schools also.
Different waves of immigrants from Europe every few decades have assimilated.

I wish I would have kept going in Spanish when I got to college--2 years only in HS were offered--
at times in school and in public venues I am uncomfortable with what I believe is gang-banger activity in Spanish.
Schools in the Southwest, as well as here in Illinois, are requiring Spanish-certification, even though you're teaching Chemistry .
Gathomas88 said:
I'm actually not opposed to amnesty in this regard, TBH. We simply need to crack down on illegal immigration, so we don't have to deal with such problems in the first place.
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Arcana XV said:
I actually already was fluent in French and Italian. My German was passable and I learned Swiss German in no time. Almost everyone speaks English here anyway. :)
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I found all the Germans speak perfect English even the homeless, the French not so much.
 
Gathomas88 said:
To be fair, only 7% of that 7% said that they couldn't speak English at all.

There's nothing wrong with speaking a different language at home so long as you can speak your community's primary language in public.
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Don't get me wrong, I absolutely agree with making every effort to learn the majority language wherever you happen to live. In my experience, though, the US is the easiest place in the world to get away with not doing that. There are entire communities who never learn English and they're doing just fine. Some parts of the country, it's like being in Havana or Beijing.
 
Some more interesting data.

Student Characteristics

This study describes students who attended public schools primarily in the 1980s and examines their outcomes through 1990. Although the number of students in urban schools remained stable at about 11 million between 1980 and 1990, the proportion of those students who were living in poverty or who had difficulty speaking English increased over the decade. The proportion of students in urban schools who belonged to an Hispanic or "other" minority group (which includes Asians and Pacific Islanders) increased over the decade, while the proportion who were white declined and the proportion who were black stayed about the same. The increasing proportion of children with non-English backgrounds in urban locations has led to a greater proportion of children with difficulty speaking English in those locations.

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Aside from the greater likelihood of being poor and having difficulty speaking English, urban students were more likely than suburban students to be exposed to risks that research has associated with less desirable outcomes. Urban students were more likely to be exposed to safety and health risks that place their health and well-being in jeopardy, and were less likely to have access to regular medical care. They were also more likely to engage in risktaking behavior, such as teenage pregnancy, that can make desirable outcomes more difficult to reach.
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