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Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

Do You like this version of "America The Beautiful?"


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I think we were much more unified in the past than we are today. At the very least, it can be said that the dominant culture was still strong enough not to face serious threat from any potential challengers.

This seems to be changing. I anticipate that this reality will ultimately cause far more problems than it will bring benefits to our society as a whole.

I disagree, most cities were far more self segregated than they are today. Today even churches are melting pots. A few decades ago that was unheard of.
 
Did you seriously just bring up the 1st amendment? Did I, or anyone, say they should be arrested and thrown in jail? Do you always jump to strawman hyperbole? All I said was that it was poor taste to take a patriotically American song and sing it in a foreign language. It's a lot like Borat's national anthem parody at the rodeo.

Speaking of strawman, I didn't say that you said that. No I just meant that perhaps if you were reminded of the fact that its protected like any other speech it may chance your mind if you viewed it as an exercise of one's individual rights.
 
Speaking of strawman, I didn't say that you said that. No I just meant that perhaps if you were reminded of the fact that its protected like any other speech it may chance your mind if you viewed it as an exercise of one's individual rights.

Oh, thanks for reminding me that we have a 1st amendment. I totally forgot about that! You are so god damn helpful, you are truly a treasure to this forum.

Maybe you can cruise around the internet and find people who want to imprison the Coca Cola CEO for the ad, then inform them about the 1st amendment.
 
I understand what they were going for, but the concept still made me vaguely uncomfortable.

If a nation's citizens need one thing in common in order to function effectively, it tends to be a language they can all speak and mutually understand. Tolerance for multiculturalism is all well and good, but it cannot be a society's primary objective in and of itself.

It simply doesn't lead anywhere productive.

I find myself agreeing with you again, Gathomas. What a sight.

Multiculturalism is useful as a stepping stone to assimilation, but I entirely agree that a nation must have some sort of working lingua franca to get anywhere.

France is actually pretty good at this. Despite a huge number of immigrants, French law is stringent that French and French only is the national language, and it is required that everyone in the country speak at least passable French if they want to do anything more than sit at home.

This is, in my opinion, one of the last stumbling blocks before the EU can finally self-realise in a big way.

I think maybe the French should conquer everyone again, get rid of all the Germans, then we could sweep in and impose English as the language of the EU after the Second Napoleonic World War.

Plausible?
 
I didn't realize I had to either embrace diversity entirely or accept uniformity in all things. Who knows, maybe the way you look at the question is overly simplistic and meant to indulge your similarly characterized political views?

Maybe. And maybe this, "... either embrace diversity entirely or accept uniformity in all things." and this, "...overly simplistic ..." is an invitation to bicker. Declined.
 
This thread is a perfect example of how conservatives and liberals are just wired up differently. I remember seeing this commercial and not even giving it a second thought. It seems that when conservatives saw this commercial it was as though a grizzly stepped out in front of them.
 
Theme of the thread aside, let me just say ... What????

Immigrants that came through Ellis Island in their thousands didn't help build and create the America we all know today?
 
Immigrants that came through Ellis Island in their thousands didn't help build and create the America we all know today?


That doesn't satisfy the "America was founded by immigrants" claim.
 
It was a commercial...........not life itself. Sigh.
 
When someone comes here they may not speak English well yet, but the American ideal is still important to them. Maybe that is what they were going for.

When you want to move to a country you should learn the language of that country before you move.
 
If someone is offended by that commercial, they truly live a joyless life. Reading comments elsewhere, you get the idea that the fringe part of conservatism is really a messed up bunch of people who steadfastly refuse to understand demographics, fear any change, and live in irrational fear.

Screw em', it was a nice commercial, this nation is made up of people from everywhere, that isn't offensive, its beautiful.
 
It was a great commercial, reminding us that the strength of our country is the diversity of our people.

But I knew many conservatives would wig out over it. I didn't even notice the gay couple the first time I saw it; laughing that they can't handle that either.

Coca Cola did great!
 
When you want to move to a country you should learn the language of that country before you move.

That is impossible for most people. If you are not immersed in a language its very difficult to become conversational in it.
 
That doesn't satisfy the "America was founded by immigrants" claim.

Worth pointing out that all of the founding fathers were British citizens, many had worn the uniform and were subjects of the crown. Van Buren was the first president born a citizen of the United States.
 
I guess conservatives believe it should not have been:

"e pluribus unum" but rather "e pluribus unum conformare"
 
That is impossible for most people. If you are not immersed in a language its very difficult to become conversational in it.

My grandparents came from Northern Europe through Ellis Island. They had very limited knowledge of English, but they knew people who had arrived previously, and they learned from them, and others, just by being exposed to it. Brave souls, but they did it, and it didn't take four schools of language classes! My grandfather called a dime a "diamond," till he died. He gave us kids lots of "diamonds" for ice cream cones back then, and we didn't care what he called them! :mrgreen:

Greetings, Southern Democrat. :2wave:
 
Probably most are but in some there's a fear of the unknown that makes them value uniformity over diversity. That's part of what 'conservative' means.
A Best Western hotel in Prague or Bangkok would look the same, and have the same menu, as one in Des Moines, Iowa.
Actually that is not true. Most international chains tailor their menus to fit local customs and cuisine.
 
I was offended by the notion that people could come to America to seek liberty and then not even have the God damn decency to use that liberty in the way I want them to, who are they to speak different languages?!!?

Coca Cola's 'America the Beautiful' Super Bowl commercial angers conservative pundits - NY Daily News

Coke Super Bowl America The Beautiful Ad - Business Insider

Or like this ****ing blow hard Allen West

"I am quite sure there may some who appreciated the commercial," West said, "but Coca Cola missed the mark in my opinion. If we cannot be proud enough as a country to sing 'American the Beautiful' in English in a commercial during the Super Bowl, by a company as American as they come--doggone we are on the road to perdition. This was a truly disturbing commercial for me, what say you?"

That's right folks, God is going to doom this country to hell because we are "proud" enough to sing America the Beautiful in English during the Superbowl. Asshole.

Imagine how powerful the message would have been, if all the people attempted to sing "America the Beautiful" in English, dispite the impact their natual accent had on the words...
 
We are one, but we are many, and from all the lands on earth we come,
we share the dream, and sing with one voice, I am, you are, we are Australian.


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Wow. What a concept. Wish we could follow it, and not be so afraid of others.
 
My grandparents came from Northern Europe through Ellis Island. They had very limited knowledge of English, but they knew people who had arrived previously, and they learned from them, and others, just by being exposed to it. Brave souls, but they did it, and it didn't take four schools of language classes! My grandfather called a dime a "diamond," till he died. He gave us kids lots of "diamonds" for ice cream cones back then, and we didn't care what he called them! :mrgreen:

Greetings, Southern Democrat. :2wave:

In addition to our biological son, we have 2 adopted daughters from China. One we adopted when she was 4 the other when she was 9. Neither of them spoke a word of English when we got them. We only spoke a few phrases in Mandarin. I can't imagine how scary it had to be for them. Our oldest came here just 3 weeks before she had to start school. So here she was, in a completely different country, could not speak a word of English, could not even talk to her new parents, and was going to school where no one would understand her either. The both picked up English really fast though from being immersed in it. That said, our oldest daughter still has a heavy accent despite having been here 4 years now. I think she is still going to sound fresh off the boat when she is 40.
 
Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel ~ Samuel Johnson

Frankly, as the United States slouches towards militarism I find myself fairly fed up with all the flag waving, warrior worshipping and the blurring of the lines between police and military. It isn't healthy for America.
 
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