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Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

Do You like this version of "America The Beautiful?"

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Wiseone said:
No I was being completely serious. Calling someone an idiot for fleeing Mexico is profoundly stupid, but I never said we should just let everyone in as you point out there's numerous reasons not to.
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:rofl Yet you insinuate that Americans have an aversion to education, and that's okay.
 
ChrisL said:
:rofl Yet you insinuate that Americans have an aversion to education, and that's okay.
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Many Americans do have an aversion to education, talk about teaching actual evolutionary science or foreign language in our schools and lots of people will **** a chicken on the spot over the suggestion.
 
ChrisL said:
It seems to me as if the liberals are the ones sobbing here on this thread. :lol:
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I'm not sobbing at all, Chris. I'm shaking my damn head that people are complaining about multiculturalism in America, for crying out loud. America. :lol:

Damn.
 
Wiseone said:
Many Americans do have an aversion to education, talk about teaching actual evolutionary science or foreign language in our schools and lots of people will **** a chicken on the spot over the suggestion.
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Speak for yourself. Foreign languages are an elective for the most part and should remain so. We don't force our people to learn foreign languages against their will. And that certainly doesn't mean that a person has an aversion to education in general, but just to learning a foreign language perhaps. Your hyperbole is stupid.
 
I will say this. Every time I hear someone say, I'm an Irish-American or an African-American I always ask, "Oh really? What part of Ireland are you from? What part of Africa are you from?"
 
Superfly said:
I'm not sobbing at all, Chris. I'm shaking my damn head that people are complaining about multiculturalism in America, for crying out loud. America. :lol:

Damn.
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I'm not complaining about anyone's culture. I am stating the facts about how not being able to communicate effectively can have negative effects on not only the immigrant but also the people around him or her and how if a person is planning to move to another country (not being allowed in on an emergency basis of course), then that person is responsible for learning the native language.
 
Well I've always been told that the best way to learn a language is to move to the country and immerse yourself in the culture.

Maybe other countries were told the same thing.
 
Superfly said:
Well I've always been told that the best way to learn a language is to move to the country and immerse yourself in the culture.

Maybe other countries were told the same thing.
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If you move to a country and you can't understand what people are talking about, you are more than likely going to be living in poverty.
 
Superfly said:
Right - on the backs of the people that we took the country away from.
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And? Why does that give every new "Johnny come lately" on the block the right to build a new culture on our own backs instead?

That seems a lot like "two wrongs making a right," which is fallacious reasoning.

The fact of the matter here is that our culture's history is completely irrelevant. What matters is that it exists now, and forms the standard upon which American society has formed.

Creating needless deviation from that established norm is only going to cause problems, not solve them.
 
ChrisL said:
Speak for yourself. Foreign languages are an elective for the most part and should remain so. We don't force our people to learn foreign languages against their will. And that certainly doesn't mean that a person has an aversion to education in general, but just to learning a foreign language perhaps. Your hyperbole is stupid.
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You have an aversion to education. We "force" people to learn how add two numbers together, why don't we teach the just as useful skill of speaking a foreign language? I not talking strictly Spanish here either, just about any language would make a good choice.
 
ChrisL said:
If you move to a country and you can't understand what people are talking about, you are more than likely going to be living in poverty.
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:lol: Doubtful. Money talks. Most any country worth living in has expat communities, anyway, so it's not like you are going to be wandering around the town square, asking for a bathroom.
 
Superfly said:
Well I've always been told that the best way to learn a language is to move to the country and immerse yourself in the culture.

Maybe other countries were told the same thing.
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I believe some people have the gift, more than others. One of my grandfathers spoke 6 languages, mom spoke two fluently and I can barely speak one...lol
Maybe if I moved to some place where I had no choice.
 
DashingAmerican said:
I will say this. Every time I hear someone say, I'm an Irish-American or an African-American I always ask, "Oh really? What part of Ireland are you from? What part of Africa are you from?"
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We trace our roots back to County Clare. ;)

In any case, there's nothing wrong with acknowledging one's heritage. The problem here comes from people taking their ethnic identity more seriously than their national identity.
 
Wiseone said:
You have an aversion to education. We "force" people to learn how add two numbers together, why don't we teach the just as useful skill of speaking a foreign language? I not talking strictly Spanish here either, just about any language would make a good choice.
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Our country is falling behind in education as it is. Learning a foreign language should be the least of your concerns when it comes to education. :roll: In fact, we probably have more bilingual people now than ever in the past, and our country is behind other countries when it comes to test scores.
 
Superfly said:
:lol: Doubtful. Money talks. Most any country worth living in has expat communities, anyway, so it's not like you are going to be wandering around the town square, asking for a bathroom.
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You are missing the point. These people are basically illiterate!
 
ChrisL said:
Our country is falling behind in education as it is. Learning a foreign language should be the least of your concerns when it comes to education. :roll: In fact, we probably have more bilingual people now than ever in the past, and our country is behind other countries when it comes to test scores.
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I took 2 years of French in high school, and they never got past the grammar to actually learning to pronounce words.
 
Gathomas88 said:
And? Why does that give every new "Johnny come lately" on the block the right to build a new culture on our own backs instead?

That seems a lot like "two wrongs making a right," which is fallacious reasoning.

The fact of the matter here is that our culture's history is completely irrelevant. What matters is that it exists now, and forms the standard upon which American society has formed.

Creating needless deviation from that established norm is only going to cause problems, not solve them.
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Cause problems for whom? People who are too afraid to accept the culture of other people? Personally, I love the multiculturalism that this country offers. I think it's fantastic, and I think it's sad that people can be so closed-minded that they are willing to throw the baby out with the bathwater, just because they don't like change. How much change do you think that immigrants have gone through, just to be able to be here? Just to be able to provide for their families? And you are telling them that they can't celebrate their culture? What hubris!
 
ChrisL said:
Our country is falling behind in education as it is. Learning a foreign language should be the least of your concerns when it comes to education. :roll: In fact, we probably have more bilingual people now than ever in the past, and our country is behind other countries when it comes to test scores.
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You shouldn't assume you know, just because I said we should learn a foreign language in our schools doesn't mean I don't think we shouldn't focus on other areas too. Besides learning a foreign language has its benefits, I speak a foreign language and look how smarter I am than you

:D
 
ChrisL said:
You are missing the point. These people are basically illiterate!
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What people? The 14 million Mexican immigrants? Because I'm sure that's what we are talking about here. Nobody cares if the French come over, or the Canadians, but dammit, let a bunch of Mexicans come in, or those damn Cubans, and it's all over. The country's shot. :roll:

And how do you know that they are illiterate? English is one of the hardest languages in the world to learn. Maybe they are trying, but having a hard time with it.
 
grip said:
I took 2 years of French in high school, and they never got past the grammar to actually learning to pronounce words.
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I remember there was some stupid test to take to see if you would potentially have proficiency in French, and we had to try to identify the differences between different French vowel sounds. Most of us were laughing because it sounded so silly. It was just a person making different vowel sounds on tape, no words or anything, just funny noises. I took some Spanish, but because I used it so infrequently, I don't remember hardly any of it.
 
Superfly said:
Cause problems for whom?
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Everyone, if incidents like the Trayvon Martin shooting, or the rampant cartel activity and gang violence along our Southwestern border are any indication.

And you are telling them that they can't celebrate their culture? What hubris!
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I'm not saying that anyone cannot "celebrate" their culture. I'm quite proud of my own heritage, and "celebrate" it often, as a matter of fact.

Again, I simply do so while speaking English, and conforming to American social norms. :lol:

It's really not that much to ask that recent immigrants do the same.
 
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Wiseone said:
You shouldn't assume you know, just because I said we should learn a foreign language in our schools doesn't mean I don't think we shouldn't focus on other areas too. Besides learning a foreign language has its benefits, I speak a foreign language and look how smarter I am than you

:D
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Nope, sorry, we can only put ourselves out so much. They have to take some responsibility for themselves, and learning to speak English is not a lot to ask of them, considering all of the benefits they gain by living here in America.
 
ChrisL said:
I remember there was some stupid test to take to see if you would potentially have proficiency in French, and we had to try to identify the differences between different French vowel sounds. Most of us were laughing because it sounded so silly. It was just a person making different vowel sounds on tape, no words or anything, just funny noises. I took some Spanish, but because I used it so infrequently, I don't remember hardly any of it.
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My parents taught me more actual French (dirty words). The school wanted us to learn to spell before we spoke, stupid.

I had a friend who took 5 years of Spanish and can't remember much. I love certain things from other cultures, especially food variety, clothing styles, music and other stuff. Their language just isn't one of them.
 
ChrisL said:
I remember there was some stupid test to take to see if you would potentially have proficiency in French, and we had to try to identify the differences between different French vowel sounds. Most of us were laughing because it sounded so silly. It was just a person making different vowel sounds on tape, no words or anything, just funny noises. I took some Spanish, but because I used it so infrequently, I don't remember hardly any of it.
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I was planning on taking Spanish in college, but my commanding officer wasn't having any of it.

He basically told me, "you need to learn either Arabic, Russian, or Chinese if you ever want to get a decent job in your line of work."

I chose Russian, because it had the easiest alphabet and pronunciation of the three. :lol:
 
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