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Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

Do You like this version of "America The Beautiful?"


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Pff... That sounds like a lot of work. :lol:



When was the last time you saw a Trayvon Martin style media circus over an Irish guy killing an Italian or Pollock?

Assimilation has its benefits.

(grin!) 'pollock', funny. That's either a fish or an avant-garde painting by some dude named Jackson.
I'm sure assimilation does have benefits, I just want no part of it, myself. It's a different idea of immigration- the 'melting pot' into which all other cultures get changed into Americans. Here, Canada, we tend more to the mosaic model.
 
You miss my point that the Super Bowl is not the proper venue for those types of corny commercials. People are pumped up and happy! They want entertainment.

Well, so far 19 people have liked it, to 4 who did not, so I'd venture to guess that it was pretty entertaining to others as well. :shrug:
 
African Americans speak English. My friend's step father is from Ghana, and he speaks German because he lived in Germany, French because he lived in France, and English because he now lives in the United States. That is how you do things. Otherwise, you are only making life more difficult for yourself.

or maybe just more difficult for people who don't want to accept others?

And I wasn't speaking about the language. I was speaking about how he was railing against multiculturalism. Damn good thing the Native Americans didn't feel this way when we came over here - oh wait. Maybe they did, but they didn't get a chance to complain because we killed them all and took their land.

Sheesh, this is a silly argument. This is a big country, and there's plenty of room for all of us.

Adapt or die.
 
I know right, some guy who doesn't even speak English is fleeing his corrupt, poverty-ridden, drug infested, crime infested country to come to one much safer where he can earn much more money and give a real future to his children.

LOL WHAT AN IDIOT LOLOLOLOL

That's not to see we should just let anyone in the country, or adopt Spanish because its spoken by most illegal immigrations, but to call someone like that an idiot its pretty damn ignorant. And its not just the illegal immigrants who speak Spanish you know, its also the legal ones... and millions and millions of US citizens....

Sorry, but there are rules that must be followed. You can't just let people into the country. They have to be able to get along and support themselves. Also, they have to be able to communicate. They also have to be tested for communicable diseases which still exist in 3rd world countries but have been eradicated here due to vaccinations. Please, try not to let your emotions get the better of you and use your common sense.

If they are legal, they are supposed to be able to speak and understand some English. That is on the test. In fact, the test is written in English, so they wouldn't be able to complete the test without at least a compulsory understanding of some English.
 
On this, we will just have to disagree. I want our country to be as multicultural as possible. When I am in small town south Louisiana, I want to experience the Cajun culture. When I visit New York's Chinatown, I want to experience that culture. I dont want them to ever be same.

America would be pretty boring, otherwise.
 
or maybe just more difficult for people who don't want to accept others?

And I wasn't speaking about the language. I was speaking about how he was railing against multiculturalism. Damn good thing the Native Americans didn't feel this way when we came over here - oh wait. Maybe they did, but they didn't get a chance to complain because we killed them all and took their land.

Sheesh, this is a silly argument. This is a big country, and there's plenty of room for all of us.

Adapt or die.

It has nothing to do with acceptance or being emotional. It has to do with common sense, logic and what is best for the country and its people as a whole.
 
You do realize that French Canadians and the rest of the country basically despise one another, right? There are more than a few separatist factions present in Quebec who want nothing less than complete independence.

C'mon. That's hyperbole, at best. There are separatists in Quebec, and they're tolerated by Anglos and the majority of Quebecois, but to say that Franco and Anglo Canadians 'despise' each other is just blatantly false.
 
I think this commercial is crap. It's like Joey on Friends trying to speak French.... Blu blah, blu blah blah.

I knew a Greek restaurant owner whose food I liked. He spoke little english and I spoke no Greek but after awhile, because we got along, I learned enough about their cuisine to communicate. There's a place for everything and speaking multiple languages to any audience is weird, unless it's an emergency message.
 
America would be pretty boring, otherwise.

No one is asking for them to not speak their native language, just to learn the native language of the country they choose to live in as well.
 
Dang - do you realize that African Americans have their own culture? African Americans have been here as long as we have. What about Native Americans?

And just look at all the problems that has caused. The interracial tensions created by blacks and whites "separating" their cultures from one another causes untold violence and popular resentment.

These problems don't really exist in nations where they assimilated into the local culture instead.

It's why America is called the Great Melting Pot. Like I said, we are all descendants of immigrants.

That's the major problem here. You're not talking about a "melting pot." You're basically talking about throwing oil and water into a glass together and watching how things play out.

Again, the goal here should be to create a single culture, with a single goal, not a bunch of little ones all vying for different goals. That will only lead to conflict and resentment.

On this, we will just have to disagree. I want our country to be as multicultural as possible. When I am in small town south Louisiana, I want to experience the Cajun culture. When I visit New York's Chinatown, I want to experience that culture. I dont want them to ever be same.

Aren't there still Irish pubs? Aren't there still Italian restaurants?

There's no reason why immigrants can't keep many of their traditions while still conforming to local cultural norms and learning the language.
 
Sorry, but there are rules that must be followed. You can't just let people into the country. They have to be able to get along and support themselves. Also, they have to be able to communicate. They also have to be tested for communicable diseases which still exist in 3rd world countries but have been eradicated here due to vaccinations. Please, try not to let your emotions get the better of you and use your common sense.

If they are legal, they are supposed to be able to speak and understand some English. That is on the test. In fact, the test is written in English, so they wouldn't be able to complete the test without at least a compulsory understanding of some English.

Its ironic that someone advocating the use of English can't read it themselves. I specifically said we shouldn't let just anyone in this country, or adopt Spanish, yet you felt the need to respond as if I had.
 
It has nothing to do with acceptance or being emotional. It has to do with common sense, logic and what is best for the country and its people as a whole.

Including the immigrants? We aren't the only people who make up this country.
 
As soon as I saw the add the first words to come out of my mouth were "The Right Wing is going to **** their pants".
 
Its ironic that someone advocating the use of English can't read it themselves. I specifically said we shouldn't let just anyone in this country, or adopt Spanish, yet you felt the need to respond as if I had.

Typical tactic. You were obviously being facetious.
 
Including the immigrants? We aren't the only people who make up this country.

Legal immigrants are REQUIRED to be able to speak some English. The citizenship test is in English.
 
Great singing. Very pretty voices.

My first impression is that they used a very judicious use of vibrato when compared to the girl who sang the national anthem.

I think that's why I hate opera singers. They have this tendency to think every note needs vibrato from beginning to end. Personally I think the overuse of vibrato is a crutch for people who can't accurately hit a note and sustain it.
 
And just look at all the problems that has caused. The interracial tensions created by blacks and whites "separating" their cultures from one another causes untold violence and popular resentment.

These problems don't really exist in nations where they assimilated into the local culture instead.



That's the major problem here. You're not talking about a "melting pot." You're basically talking about throwing oil and water into a glass together and watching how things play out.

Again, the goal here should be to create a single culture, with a single goal, not a bunch of little ones all vying for different goals. That will only lead to conflict and resentment.

So... which culture do you think we should assimilate to? One that was brought here from Europe? Or Native American culture, which was here first?
 
I know right, some guy who doesn't even speak English is fleeing his corrupt, poverty-ridden, drug infested, crime infested country to come to one much safer where he can earn much more money and give a real future to his children.

LOL WHAT AN IDIOT LOLOLOLOL

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Leave Los Angeles out of this discussion.
 
It was one of the Super Bowl ads:



I personally thought it would've been more powerful, and less likely to cause a controversy, if it did the exact same thing but all sung in English but with the clearly different accents of the various people....keeping with the seeming "unified but diverse" message far better IMHO, as it'd not only use the song but the common language as the joining strand

That said, in terms of patriotic commercials, I preferred the MetLife one with the peanuts characters...solemn, clear, and no feeling of attempting to push a political message or subtext to it. I don't particularly care for political messaging attempts in my Super Bowl ads, be it Tim Tebow preaching prolife or coke promoting multiculturalism. But it didn't bother me to any real degree.
 
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I've heard otherwise from people who work on construction job sites.

Well, I was a structural Ironworker for nearly 30 years and never had a problem, maybe because I never worked with anyone who couldn't speak English. I wouldn't have tried to work in Quebec, my French isn't very good, but I worked with several Frenchmen who spoke fluent English.
 
Well, I was a structural Ironworker for nearly 30 years and never had a problem, maybe because I never worked with anyone who couldn't speak English. I wouldn't have tried to work in Quebec, my French isn't very good, but I worked with several Frenchmen who spoke fluent English.

You think? :)
 
Typical tactic. You were obviously being facetious.

No I was being completely serious. Calling someone an idiot for fleeing Mexico is profoundly stupid, but I never said we should just let everyone in as you point out there's numerous reasons not to.
 
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