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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    I need to watch Here comes Honey Boo Boo more. You know, to brush up on american culture.
    I'm not sure why you guys want to dismiss the idea of an american culture. Neither the idea of regionalism, or a mixing pot precludes such. With some of the obvious aspects of it being secularism and individualism

    Maybe you guys need to travel outside the US more

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    We have two adopted daughters from China. Both of them were very malnourished when we got them. If you go to one of the rich coastal cities in China you would have the impression of a nation of plenty. However, most of the population still lives in poverty, and undernourishment is still a problem. Only 11% of China's land is arable. Much of that doesn't have sufficient water. In China the choice was either reduce the birth rate or accept regular widespread famine.
    While there is clearly a large wealth disparity between rural and urban china, we should probably avoid drawing assumptions from your experience with two chinese orphans. There are poor areas provinces in china where the malnutrition rate is 12% (Qinghai, Yunnan, Ningxia and Guangxi.), but those are the exceptions, not the rule.

    PS if you guys are talking about population growth being too highm then that is definitely not a current concern for the US. Ours is like Europe, one where the birth rate is too low

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Chinese immigrants back then were not isolated from one another. They lived in the same areas and interacted with each other daily.
    They were more isolated than current mexican populations. Not only do they have easier access to mexico, but demographics spread out from the border and communities exist across the region. "chinatowns" were limited to a few major cities and they did not have easy access to china

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sangha
    Yeah, like the way you proved that Latinos who are born in the US are not "native born americans"
    Prove that I ever made that claim.

    Or the way you proved that there was no Mexican culture in Texas before the white people got there.
    Prove that I ever made that claim.

    Or the way you proved that Latinos are not assimilating.
    47% of Latino adults not believing themselves to fit in with mainstream American culture, and only 21% of them choosing to identify themselves as being primarily "American" does not demonstrate difficulty in assimilation?

    And just what definition of "assimilation" are you using exactly?

    Or proved that Latino culture is not a part of american culture
    Prove that it is.

    I like the way you put nonsensical conditions on your questions, as if by acknowledging the profound effect they've had on the culture of border states means it's OK if you ignore those effects.
    I don't see an answer to my question here.

    Point to the specific ways in which "Latin culture" can be said to have contributed to US culture as a whole.

    If the impact has truly been so immense as you claim, surely you must be able to point out at least a few notable examples.

    I guess bluegrass, the blues, and jazz are not a part of american culture :

    Neither is Mardi Gras or Christmas.
    None of which have anything whatsoever to do with Latinos, or make any sense whatsoever within the context of your argument here.

    What is your point?

    You're lying
    No, you are lying.

    The facts are all right there in black and white for anyone with the eyes to look to see.

    NY Times

    Only 15 percent of Latino adults said they were “largely English speakers
    When Labels Don’t Fit: Hispanics and Their Views of Identity

    ◾When it comes to describing their identity, most Hispanics prefer their family’s country of origin over pan-ethnic terms. Half (51%) say that most often they use their family’s country of origin to describe their identity. That includes such terms as “Mexican” or “Cuban” or “Dominican,” for example. Just one-quarter (24%) say they use the terms “Hispanic” or “Latino” to most often to describe their identity. And 21% say they use the term “American” most often.
    ◾Latinos are split on whether they see themselves as a typical American. Nearly half (47%) say they are a typical American, while another 47% say they are very different from the typical American. Foreign-born Hispanics are less likely than native-born Hispanics to say they are a typical American—34% versus 66%.
    Feel free to prove them wrong.

    You said they weren't learning english. Now you're admitting that they are
    Prove it.

    Nonsense. In addition to all the claims you made (see the first lines of my response) you've also claimed that Latino culture is going to become the predominant culture in the US
    Prove it.

    Yes, one leads to about 5% increase in population and the other leads to a 75% increase. That's similar :
    Ummm... Where in the Hell are you getting those numbers?

    Assuming we use the formula described below, a starting population of 50 million people, and an equal death rate...

    Population growth

    ...

    The formula for population growth is N = Noert

    The difference between a 2.1 fertility rate and a 2.4 birth rate using that particular equation is only about 20 million people (i.e. 100 million people for the black population vs 120 million people for the Latino population).

    The differences in birth rate are clearly not enough to account for the disparity which is projected to exist in overall population growth rates between these two groups.

    Wrong again.
    Prove it.

    And assimilated Latinos vastly outnumber non-assimilated Latinos.
    Prove it, and prove that unassimilated or slowly assimilating Latinos are not still a problem.

    They don't behave like anything close to the same as they did before.
    Prove it.

    Immigration has slowed dramatically since then.
    Prove it.

    It already has
    Prove it.

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Prove that I ever made that claim.



    Prove that I ever made that claim.



    47% of Latino adults not believing themselves to fit in with mainstream American culture, and only 21% of them choosing to identify themselves as being primarily "American" does not demonstrate difficulty in assimilation?

    And just what definition of "assimilation" are you using exactly?



    Prove that it is.



    I don't see an answer to my question here.

    Point to the specific ways in which "Latin culture" can be said to have contributed to US culture as a whole.

    If the impact has truly been so immense as you claim, surely you must be able to point out at least a few notable examples.



    None of which have anything whatsoever to do with Latinos, or make any sense whatsoever within the context of your argument here.

    What is your point?



    No, you are lying.

    The facts are all right there in black and white for anyone with the eyes to look to see.

    NY Times



    When Labels Don’t Fit: Hispanics and Their Views of Identity





    Feel free to prove them wrong.



    Prove it.



    Prove it.



    Ummm... Where in the Hell are you getting those numbers?

    Assuming we use the formula described below, a starting population of 50 million people, and an equal death rate...

    Population growth

    ...

    The formula for population growth is N = Noert

    The difference between a 2.1 fertility rate and a 2.4 birth rate using that particular equation is only about 20 million people (i.e. 100 million people for the black population vs 120 million people for the Latino population).

    The differences in birth rate are clearly not enough to account for the disparity which is projected to exist in overall population growth rates between these two groups.



    Prove it.



    Prove it, and prove that unassimilated or slowly assimilating Latinos are not still a problem.



    Prove it.



    Prove it.



    Prove it.
    Meh, he'll just say you're lying again.

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Meh, he'll just say you're lying again.
    Oh, I'm well aware. lol

    He's one of those kinds of posters that really makes you wish you had the the ability to throttle people over the internet (or that it was still legal to challenge someone to a duel, at the very least).

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Oh, I'm well aware. lol

    He's one of those kinds of posters that really makes you wish you had the the ability to throttle people over the internet (or that it was still legal to challenge someone to a duel, at the very least).
    . Yes, I'm bored tonight.

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    . Yes, I'm bored tonight.
    Tell me the world wouldn't be a better place right now if someone hadn't shot the likes of Michael Moore and Glen Beck at 10 paces years ago.

    Public discourse would certainly be a Hell of a lot more civil.

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Tell me the world wouldn't be a better place right now if someone hadn't shot the likes of Michael Moore and Glen Beck at 10 paces years ago.

    Public discourse would certainly be a Hell of a lot more civil.
    Sword fights are more exciting IMO. They last longer.

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Tell me the world wouldn't be a better place right now if someone hadn't shot the likes of Michael Moore and Glen Beck at 10 paces years ago.

    Public discourse would certainly be a Hell of a lot more civil.
    Moore and Beck would never have been able to sell their brand of bull**** if people weren't more than willing to gobble it up. Ultimately, the problem lies with us.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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