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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    So here's a questioin: Why is it a debate worthy topic whenever a minority sticks out? Interracial cheerios ad, hispanic kid singing the national anthem at a basketball game, Richard Sherman, Dr. Carson....it just seems like whenever someone with brown skin opens their mouth, somebody loses their ****.

    Anything that I mentioned there, white people wouldn't even get a mention - all white cheerios ad (yawn), white guy singing the anthem, white conservative says the same thing white conservatives have been saying for the last six years - none of that would be newsworthy. Brown skin - instant twittering....why is that?


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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Hey why did you leave the ones that do:

    So the majority, according to your source, say it's very important to learn English and the majority of US born Hispanics do relate to Americans more. What's the problem again?
    Ummm...

    And just one-in-five (21%) say they use the term “American” most often to describe their identity
    Considering the fact that only 36% of the Latino immigrant community in the United States is legitimately foreign born, that number is really pretty depressingly low.

    aw so I'm not part of your native American culture club now? I guess I better change my name to 'notreallyamericanwoman'
    That depends on a lot of different factors.

    You clearly speak the language, you've clearly made a significant effort to intermingle with the general population, and you clearly believe that your American identity trumps whatever you possessed before. You've assimilated.

    A lot of Hispanic immigrants seem to struggle with this, even after multiple generations.

    This isn't to say that Latinos can't assimilate. A great many of them do, and a great many more seem to desire to.

    There simply does seem to be a certain subset of the Latino population that is reluctant to do so. This is problematic and needs to be addressed, not encouraged.

    The fact that they represent an alien cultural influence in the United States is also undeniable. Their presence is forcing Americans to learn Spanish just as it is forcing Latinos immigrants to learn English. No other group of immigrants has had that impact.
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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    So here's a questioin: Why is it a debate worthy topic whenever a minority sticks out? Interracial cheerios ad, hispanic kid singing the national anthem at a basketball game, Richard Sherman, Dr. Carson....it just seems like whenever someone with brown skin opens their mouth, somebody loses their ****.

    Anything that I mentioned there, white people wouldn't even get a mention - all white cheerios ad (yawn), white guy singing the anthem, white conservative says the same thing white conservatives have been saying for the last six years - none of that would be newsworthy. Brown skin - instant twittering....why is that?
    Well, for me it has nothing to do with that. There were also Chinese people, etc. included in the commercial. For me it has to do with, instead of encouraging immigrants to learn and speak English, it seems like a lot of people want to keep them (and others who have to deal with them) at a disadvantage. There are absolutely no advantages to a person, living in a country and not being able to communicate effectively, and there are PLENTY of disadvantages. So the argument that some are giving makes absolutely no sense, and these people must have some kind of ulterior motives IMO.

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Ummm...



    Considering the fact that only 36% of the Latino immigrant community in the United States is legitimately foreign born, that number is really pretty depressingly low.



    That depends on a lot of different factors.

    You clearly speak the language, you've clearly made a significant effort to intermingle with the general population, and you clearly believe that your American identity trumps whatever you possessed before. You've assimilated.

    A lot of Hispanic immigrants seem to struggle with this, even after multiple generations.

    This isn't to say that Latinos can't assimilate. A great many of them do, and a great many more seem to desire to.

    There simply does seem to be a certain subset of the Latino population that is reluctant to do so. This is problematic and needs to be addressed, not encouraged.

    The fact that they represent an alien cultural influence in the United States is also undeniable. Their presence is forcing Americans to learn Spanish just as it is forcing Latinos immigrants to learn English. No other group of immigrants has had that impact.
    Great point, and exactly what I was thinking too!

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well, for me it has nothing to do with that. There were also Chinese people, etc. included in the commercial. For me it has to do with, instead of encouraging immigrants to learn and speak English, it seems like a lot of people want to keep them (and others who have to deal with them) at a disadvantage. There are absolutely no advantages to a person, living in a country and not being able to communicate effectively, and there are PLENTY of disadvantages. So the argument that some are giving makes absolutely no sense, and these people must have some kind of ulterior motives IMO.
    Well, we need to put it in perspective a little bit. The aim of the ad was not to encourage anybody to do anything other than buy Coca-Cola. I agree that there are many disadvantages to an immigrant not learning English, and that choosing that route seems incredibly stupid.

    That said, we have to have this discussion EVERY freaking time any kind of minority pokes their head up and is noticed. Take it beyond this ad, what is up with the talking about the Cheerios ad? That was all in English, had nothing to do with immigration legal or otherwise. But we have to have a discussion about it. Hispanic kid (who was American, BTW) sings the national anthem (in English) at a basketball game, and we have to have the twits explode. Factually, it had nothing to do with immigration, because the kid wasn't an immigrant. He wasn't an illegal who wouldn't learn English, he was a native born American, spoke English too. Twits go nuts over it. WTF is up with that?


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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Well, we need to put it in perspective a little bit. The aim of the ad was not to encourage anybody to do anything other than buy Coca-Cola. I agree that there are many disadvantages to an immigrant not learning English, and that choosing that route seems incredibly stupid.

    That said, we have to have this discussion EVERY freaking time any kind of minority pokes their head up and is noticed. Take it beyond this ad, what is up with the talking about the Cheerios ad? That was all in English, had nothing to do with immigration legal or otherwise. But we have to have a discussion about it. Hispanic kid (who was American, BTW) sings the national anthem (in English) at a basketball game, and we have to have the twits explode. Factually, it had nothing to do with immigration, because the kid wasn't an immigrant. He wasn't an illegal who wouldn't learn English, he was a native born American, spoke English too. Twits go nuts over it. WTF is up with that?
    Well, come on! I'm sure that was the whole point of posting it, to evoke this exact discussion. How boring would this place be?! That's why we come here, right?

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Great point, and exactly what I was thinking too!
    Exactly.

    People seem to be jumping to the conclusion that I hate immigrants here. That's simply not the case.

    My best friend is actually a Pilipino American guy who came here "fresh off the boat" when he was around 12 years old. The difference between him and a lot of Hispanic immigrants, is that he has already more or less completely assimilated.

    He speaks English fluently, he joined the Army, he married an American woman, and he behaves like you would expect an American to behave. If he didn't tell you, you wouldn't even know that he wasn't a native born American.

    Frankly, this seems to be the case with most Asian Americans I meet. Sure, they might have a senile old grandmother hanging around somewhere who struggles with English, but pretty much everyone else will speak it very well, even if they are not necessarily fluent.

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Exactly.

    People seem to be jumping to the conclusion that I hate immigrants here. That's simply not the case.

    My best friend is actually a Pilipino American guy who came here "fresh off the boat" when he was around 12 years old. The difference between him and a lot of Hispanic immigrants, is that he has already more or less completely assimilated.

    He speaks English fluently, he joined the Army, he married an American woman, and he behaves like you would expect an American to behave. If he didn't tell you, you wouldn't even know that he wasn't a native born American.

    Frankly, this seems to be the case with most Asian Americans I meet. Sure, they might have a senile old grandmother hanging around somewhere who struggles with English, but pretty much everyone else will speak it very well, even if they are not necessarily fluent.
    Well, some people are just going to assume that you "hate" immigrants if you don't want to coddle them like infants.

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well, come on! I'm sure that was the whole point of posting it, to evoke this exact discussion. How boring would this place be?! That's why we come here, right?
    Here is one thing. This crap plays out on the Today show....


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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Here is one thing. This crap plays out on the Today show....
    Of course, it's a topic of interest for many people. Would you rather we not discuss issues, or just the ones you like and/or agree with?

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