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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    True, but a lot of that has to do with the company they keep (as you said, cultural isolation and intermingling with the United States' other minority populations can have an impact in this regard), and their lower income status.

    Latin American nations do tend to score a bit better with regard to divorce rates than the US or Western World in general, however; and many of them score better with regard to single motherhood as well. They do also tend to be more religious across the board.
    You are mistaking latin american countries with latin american immigrants to the United States.

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    You are mistaking latin american countries with latin american immigrants to the United States.
    I acknowledge that. I was simply suggesting that if the United States were to become culturally more similar to those nations, it might not necessarily be a bad thing in many regards.

    Don't get me wrong. Latin culture has its flaws like any other. However, it does have some legitimately attractive aspects as well.

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    I acknowledge that. I was simply suggesting that if the United States were to become culturally more similar to those nations, it might not necessarily be a bad thing in many regards.
    except that we won't. We will be come more culturally similar to their underclass, because that is who is immigrating here.

    It's like if we were to decide that instead we should focus on American culture, and that therefore we should all be Detroit.

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    I can provide dozens of sources showing that Latino immigration to the United States has been problematic.

    NY Times

    Only 15% of Latino adults say they speak English as their primary language.
    IOW, 85% of all Latino adults speak English as their primary language.

    Plus, once again you are confusing Latino with "immigrant". Many Latinos are native born Americans.


    According to studies on the subject, only 23% of first generation immigrants speak English well, and more than 12% of second generation immigrants still struggle with it.
    IOW, 88% of the children of immigrants speak English well

    And you haven't shown that the # has changed over time.


    On the flip side of that, more and more Americans are actually being forced to learn Spanish simply to get by.

    Mandatory School Spanish Classes Anger Texas Parents

    What is the future of Spanish in the United States?
    And here we go, with your hysteria making you post all sorts of irrelevant info because you continually conflate everything together. Whether or not English speaking americans learn Spanish has nothing to do with the assimilation of Latinos.


    Furthermore, a great many Latinos don't primarily identify themselves as being "American," but still primarily identify with their country of origin.

    When Labels Donít Fit: Hispanics and Their Views of Identity



    Roughly half of them do not view themselves as being "typical Americans" either.



    They also insist on clinging to the Spanish language once they arrive.
    More info that is irrelevant to whether or not Latinos are assimilating.

    Beyond even that, roughly two thirds of Mexican immigrants who are eligible for citizenship choose not to take it.

    The Path Not Taken: Two-thirds of Legal Mexican Immigrants are not U.S. Citizens

    Many of them also insist on clinging to national symbols of their old nations, like flags.
    Yeah, we never see any other ethnicities doing that.



    I'm sorry, but the simple fact of the matter here is that these kinds of problems were virtually unheard of with previous waves of immigrants to this country.

    Hell! They are unheard for current waves of non-Hispanic immigrants.
    Yeah, we've never seen immigrants from other nations cleaving to symbols of their home country




    You are lying, as usual.

    Again, the African American community is projected to remain more or less stagnant over the course of the next fifty years (growing in proportion from 13% of the overall population to 14%), while the white community is expected to decline (dropping from almost 70% of the overall population to 50% or less), while the Latino and Asian communities basically double in size due immigration (from a little over 10% to more than 20% and from 5% to 8%, respectively).

    That is a net loss in proportional representation and relative size for the native population of the United States in relation to immigrant populations. 1% proportional population growth among the African American population does not counter a 20% proportional population decrease among the white population.
    I see you're still clinging to the xenophobically racist notion that racial breakdowns demonstrate the proportion of native born americans versus immigrants.


    This is simple mathematics, Sangha. Do try to keep up.
    Simple logic would show you that "latino" doesn't mean "immigrant".
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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Well, feel free to ask him - does he think that "native born American" means "white people"? Or are you trying to paint someone you disagree with offensively in order to delegitimize opposition to your position?
    For of all of your apologetics, Gath clings to his belief that the # of white people represents the # of "native born americans"


    Clearly, because I never made a "mistake" in the first place. You have simply completely failed to understand my argument.
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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Dunno, Sangha. Mr. Thomas' source link was from Russia - so he must be right. Would Russian Journalists lie? And besides, native populations are always...wait...native populations? Cowabunga, Dude! That some strong implication there.
    True, but I think the bigger, and more revealing, point is that both Gath and cpwill believe that the # of white people is the same as the # of native born americans.

    After all, how could a non-white person be american?
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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    True. In my defense, however; I would point out that my original reason for posting in this thread revolved simply around expressing my opposition to the ideological message put forward by the Coca-Cola commercial in the OP.

    That is something I actually can have some degree of control over.

    The same goes for immigration policy.
    The only "ideological" message that Coke put forward was "Buy our product"
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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    True, but I think the bigger, and more revealing, point is that both Gath and cpwill believe that the # of white people is the same as the # of native born americans.

    After all, how could a non-white person be american?
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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The only "ideological" message that Coke put forward was "Buy our product"
    Pretty much. It seemed like the ad was saying, "we don't care who you are, your money's good here!"

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    except that we won't. We will be come more culturally similar to their underclass, because that is who is immigrating here.

    It's like if we were to decide that instead we should focus on American culture, and that therefore we should all be Detroit.
    A fair point. However, ultimately only time will tell how they behave once they start to work their way up to the middle classes.

    More people like Marco Rubio in the US would hardly be a bad thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sangha
    IOW, 85% of all Latino adults speak English as their primary language.

    Plus, once again you are confusing Latino with "immigrant". Many Latinos are native born Americans.
    The latino population in the US is expected to double in the next fifty years, Sangha. Their birth rates are not appreciably higher than the rest of the population.

    This means that most of that growth is coming from immigration. As such, most of the Latinos in the United States are going to be either immigrants, or the first or second generation descendants of them.

    This is already the case today.

    Majority of Hispanic Children in United States Have Immigrant Parents

    As our immigrant population continues to grow, so too will the population of the first and second generation children of immigrants. This will exponentially decrease the necessity of new arrivals learning English or having to adopt existing American cultural norms in the first place.

    Whether or not English speaking americans learn Spanish has nothing to do with the assimilation of Latinos.
    No, it means that they are assimilating us.

    Did Americans rush out to learn Italian or German when the last waves of immigrants arrived?

    More info that is irrelevant to whether or not Latinos are assimilating.
    Half of Latinos not believing themselves to fit into mainstream American culture isn't a sign of problems with assimilation?

    Yeah, we never see any other ethnicities doing that.

    Yeah, we've never seen immigrants from other nations cleaving to symbols of their home country
    Yea, that's cute... If your family has already been here for 100 years or more and its damn clear that you'd never consider yourself as being anything other than an American.

    When you've just arrived, barely speak the language, and haven't filed for citizenship? Ehhh... Not so much.

    I see you're still clinging to the xenophobically racist notion that racial breakdowns demonstrate the proportion of native born americans versus immigrants.
    Again, because in Sangha land, a clear demonstration of the fact that native cultural groups are in decline while immigrant and first or second generation populations from an alien culture explode means absolutely nothing.

    Simple logic would show you that "latino" doesn't mean "immigrant".
    Simple logic would dictate that the act of merely living somewhere doesn't make a person an assimilated member of that area's culture.
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