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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    You know the woman who wrote the words to this song was a lesbian. Right? How you guys feel about that one?
    Why would it matter to you whether she was or not?

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    You know the woman who wrote the words to this song was a lesbian. Right? How you guys feel about that one?
    As I already pointed out, who's performing the song is rather inconsequential to what people perceive as it's message. But thanks for injecting more needless accusations of bigotry, and one that seems wholly disconnected from the discussion.

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    If only people got this upset over stuff that actually mattered. Everyone is so into armchair politics these days.

    Coca cola did a good job because all this bitching about a commercial will make their stock go up, which is exactly why they did it.

    God, people are so gullible and play right into this. Coca cola says jump and people ask how far. The news pundits who are whining about it are part of the same corporate network that owns coca cola. Don't you see that you're being played???

    It was the Superbowl. EVERY YEAR companies do controversial stuff to get people talking about their product!! Why do people always forget what happened last time?

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    If only people got this upset over stuff that actually mattered. Everyone is so into armchair politics these days.

    Coca cola did a good job because all this bitching about a commercial will make their stock go up, which is exactly why they did it.

    God, people are so gullible and play right into this. Coca cola says jump and people ask how far. The news pundits who are whining about it are part of the same corporate network that owns coca cola. Don't you see that you're being played???

    It was the Superbowl. EVERY YEAR companies do controversial stuff to get people talking about their product!! Why do people always forget what happened last time?
    The irony of telling people they're dumb for discussing a topic as you discuss a topic: fact is very few people are actually discussing coke or the commercial here. It's more a discussing about immigration

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sangha
    They are learning english and assimilating.
    I can provide dozens of sources showing that Latino immigration to the United States has been problematic.

    NY Times

    Only 15% of Latino adults say they speak English as their primary language.

    According to studies on the subject, only 23% of first generation immigrants speak English well, and more than 12% of second generation immigrants still struggle with it.

    On the flip side of that, more and more Americans are actually being forced to learn Spanish simply to get by.

    Mandatory School Spanish Classes Anger Texas Parents

    What is the future of Spanish in the United States?

    Furthermore, a great many Latinos don't primarily identify themselves as being "American," but still primarily identify with their country of origin.

    When Labels Don’t Fit: Hispanics and Their Views of Identity

    When it comes to describing their identity, most Hispanics prefer their family’s country of origin over pan-ethnic terms. Half (51%) say that most often they use their family’s country of origin to describe their identity. That includes such terms as “Mexican” or “Cuban” or “Dominican,” for example. Just one-quarter (24%) say they use the terms “Hispanic” or “Latino” to most often to describe their identity. And 21% say they use the term “American” most often.
    Roughly half of them do not view themselves as being "typical Americans" either.

    Latinos are split on whether they see themselves as a typical American. Nearly half (47%) say they are a typical American, while another 47% say they are very different from the typical American. Foreign-born Hispanics are less likely than native-born Hispanics to say they are a typical American—34% versus 66%.
    They also insist on clinging to the Spanish language once they arrive.

    Hispanics also want future U.S. Hispanic generations to speak Spanish. Fully 95% of Hispanics believe it is very important (75%) or somewhat important (20%) for future generations of Hispanics in the U.S. to be able to speak Spanish.
    Beyond even that, roughly two thirds of Mexican immigrants who are eligible for citizenship choose not to take it.

    The Path Not Taken: Two-thirds of Legal Mexican Immigrants are not U.S. Citizens

    Many of them also insist on clinging to national symbols of their old nations, like flags.

    Opinions split over red, white and green (Houston Principal flies Mexican Flag at School)

    I'm sorry, but the simple fact of the matter here is that these kinds of problems were virtually unheard of with previous waves of immigrants to this country.

    Hell! They are unheard for current waves of non-Hispanic immigrants.

    Far be it from me to claim that all Latino immigrants to the United States are trouble makers and should be barred entrance. I don't believe anything of the kind. I'm sure that a great many of them legitimately do want to integrate into our culture and become productive members of our society.

    The problem here, is that there also exists a sizeable element of the Latino immigrant community that does not want to integrate and could really care less about American culture, or American national identity.

    That is a problem which needs to be dealt with. The last thing mainstream American culture needs to be doing right now is encouraging such people in their obstinacy.

    This is especially the case given the fact that these immigrant populations are well on their way to outnumbering established native born groups. This fact will only lead them to face less and less pressure to assimilate as time goes on and their overall representation in the general population continues to increase.

    You have no stats. All you showed was that you confuse "white people" with "Americans"
    You are lying, as usual.

    Again, the African American community is projected to remain more or less stagnant over the course of the next fifty years (growing in proportion from 13% of the overall population to 14%), while the white community is expected to decline (dropping from almost 70% of the overall population to 50% or less), while the Latino and Asian communities basically double in size due immigration (from a little over 10% to more than 20% and from 5% to 8%, respectively).

    That is a net loss in proportional representation and relative size for the native population of the United States in relation to immigrant populations. 1% proportional population growth among the African American population does not counter a 20% proportional population decrease among the white population.

    Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]-67161447d1391577333-your-opinion-cokes-version-america-beautiful-slide_02_pies-jpg

    This is simple mathematics, Sangha. Do try to keep up.

    So far, he has yet to acknowledge his mistake so I can only assume that he stands by it
    Clearly, because I never made a "mistake" in the first place. You have simply completely failed to understand my argument.

    That would require honesty on your part
    Oh! The irony!

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Seems as simple as the question:

    GA Thomas: do you conflate "native born Americans" with "whites", or when you define "American" , do you mean the standard that you have already described of speaking the language, taking part in the culture, holding to our founding values, etc?
    Absolutely not.

    As Sangha seems to have so conveniently forgotten here (as he often does ), I actually praised the Asian American population for their approach to immigration and assimilation around the thirty page mark of this very thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    I'm not saying that they all are. There are plenty of hard working immigrants in this country who seem to legitimately understand how to become productive members of our society.

    Asian Americans, for instance; seem to "get" the idea behind assimilation remarkably well on average. They have prospered (some times, even to a greater extent than native born Americans) as such.

    However, you cannot really deny that there are some immigrant populations out there which seem to struggle with this concept, and that this can be a legitimate problem.

    The last thing we need to be doing right now is blatantly encouraging them to persist in such behavior.
    Sangha is simply engaging in his usual dishonesty and throwing out race baiting red herrings.
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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    As I already pointed out, who's performing the song is rather inconsequential to what people perceive as it's message. But thanks for injecting more needless accusations of bigotry, and one that seems wholly disconnected from the discussion.
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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Either way, he's wrong. After all, plenty of non-white immigrants speak the language take part in the culture and hold to our values, but I don't expect you to admit the obvious implication of Gath trying to show that the native born population is decreasing because the # of white people who died was greater than the # of white people who were born.

    That would require honesty on your part
    Dunno, Sangha. Mr. Thomas' source link was from Russia - so he must be right. Would Russian Journalists lie? And besides, native populations are always...wait...native populations? Cowabunga, Dude! That some strong implication there.

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    The irony of telling people they're dumb for discussing a topic as you discuss a topic: fact is very few people are actually discussing coke or the commercial here. It's more a discussing about immigration
    Discuss whatever you want... I was just pointing out that people flock to these topics at the beck and call of the media and it's part of their viral marketing.

    Of course it's about immigration, but it's not like coke invented that topic either. They're just using it to make money, which you're helping them to do. Instead of talking about immigration, now people will be talking about it with Coke™ attached to it.

    Like I said, they were smart.

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Dunno, Sangha. Mr. Thomas' source link was from Russia - so he must be right. Would Russian Journalists lie? And besides, native populations are always...wait...native populations? Cowabunga, Dude! That some strong implication there.
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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    i'm here for ya DC
    now only if you made sense or had something of worth to add we could have an interesting discussion. But, alas, simply braying accusations of bigotry seems so trite and uninteresting

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