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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And your post is a not so interesting example of what happens when someone tries to jump in the middle of a discussion without understanding what has been said

    Gath clearly believes that "native born american" means "white people" because when he was challenged on his claim that the native born population of americans was decreasing, he posted a stat about the population of white people in the US


    If I asked you for stats about the native born population of the US, would you post stats about the # of white people in the US?
    Well, feel free to ask him - does he think that "native born American" means "white people"? Or are you trying to paint someone you disagree with offensively in order to delegitimize opposition to your position?

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Well, feel free to ask him - does he think that "native born American" means "white people"? Or are you trying to paint someone you disagree with offensively in order to delegitimize opposition to your position?
    I am responding to what he said. Take a look for yourself:

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    And where in our nation's history have native populations ever been in blatant decline while immigration surged?
    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Our native population is not in decline.
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    So far, he has yet to acknowledge his mistake so I can only assume that he stands by it
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I am responding to what he said. Take a look for yourself:

    Seems as simple as the question:

    GA Thomas: do you conflate "native born Americans" with "whites", or when you define "American" , do you mean the standard that you have already described of speaking the language, taking part in the culture, holding to our founding values, etc?

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Seems as simple as the question:

    GA Thomas: do you conflate "native born Americans" with "whites", or when you define "American" , do you mean the standard that you have already described of speaking the language, taking part in the culture, holding to our founding values, etc?
    Either way, he's wrong. After all, plenty of non-white immigrants speak the language take part in the culture and hold to our values, but I don't expect you to admit the obvious implication of Gath trying to show that the native born population is decreasing because the # of white people who died was greater than the # of white people who were born.

    That would require honesty on your part
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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    There were a series of posts about immigrants being unable to speak English
    Yes and data was provided here that indicates there are cities where 10% of the population does not know english. So what is your point?

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    They are learning english and assimilating.

    Prove that they aren't
    I already cited figures earlier, which you seem to have a habit of ignoring

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1062885219

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Didn't read the whole thread, but look… based on my personal experience living a big city and growing up around and in a large immigrant community, a lot of first generation immigrants (especially adults, not little kids) don't speak the best of english. Most of them will get better as they live here, the children assimilate quickly, and their children born here will learn english and be fluent, if not bilingual. By the time their children have children, the grandchildren don't care much about the traditions of the "old country" and they think grandma's food is weird.

    Many languages die and go extinct. It happens all the time.

    Immigrants are not a threat to America. They never have been.

    America is supposed to be for immigrants seeking opportunity and freedom. At no point since the signing of the Constitution have America's freedoms or Constitution been threatened or nearly destroyed by immigrants (i.e. the purpose of coming to America in the first place).

    Children should study and be encouraged to study foreign languages. It will help them in the professional world and in a global economy. You are not betraying the country if you study a foreign language.

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Didn't read the whole thread, but look… based on my personal experience living a big city and growing up around and in a large immigrant community, a lot of first generation immigrants (especially adults, not little kids) don't speak the best of english. Most of them will get better as they live here, the children assimilate quickly, and their children born here will learn english and be fluent, if not bilingual. By the time their children have children, the grandchildren don't care much about the traditions of the "old country" and they think grandma's food is weird.
    Past immigration waves actually faced pressures to assimilate. For example, the state did not make provisions to accommodate non-English speakers until quite recently. And the fact that new immigrant waves are less diverse than previous ones (Mexicans represent 30% of new immigrants) makes clustering more likely, which hinders cultural, linguistic, and economic integration for obvious reasons

    Immigrants are not a threat to America. They never have been.
    No one suggested they were. Types of immigration were suggested as putting negative pressures on people and societies

    America is supposed to be for immigrants seeking opportunity and freedom. At no point since the signing of the Constitution have America's freedoms or Constitution been threatened or nearly destroyed by immigrants (i.e. the purpose of coming to America in the first place).
    You're appealing to tradition here. Economic situations change. We no longer have a need for a bunch of immigrants to fill manufacturing jobs

    Children should study and be encouraged to study foreign languages. It will help them in the professional world and in a global economy. You are not betraying the country if you study a foreign language.
    again, no one suggested this

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    You know the woman who wrote the words to this song was a lesbian. Right? How you guys feel about that one?
    "Judge a man by his questions rather than his answers" - Voltaire
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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    The problem with the legal immigrants, perhaps not entirely their fault, is that the American people were not asked to vote on whether or not Americans wanted immigration from Mexico and Asia in such huge numbers that virtually all aspects of the traditional American culture would be changed forever.

    This was such a fundamental change to the United States that the American people should have been asked to consent or not. Instead, the borders were opened wide and any Americans who objected were labeled racists, bigots, xenophobia and other vile names.

    It is unprecedented in history for a government to destroy its own culture in this manner. It would be strange if there were not enormous resentment.
    Actually they have doing similar things in Europe also, and for the same reasons. Third world countries are seldom as inviting or generous. The same disease seems to have struck the western world, and all around the same time.

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