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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

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    I am for citizenship for illegal aliens.
    Great… I’m headed to your house and will be there when you get home eating your food and using your utilities. Based on your statement you should feel perfectly comfortable with me coming into your home uninvited and against your will.

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well no I do not. They can wait then. It is not my responsibility to coddle immigrants. They can pay for their classes or wait for their citizenship like everyone else.

    Why on earth anyone thinks it is our responsibility to teach people who want to become immigrants is beyond me. We do that as a favor to be nice.
    IOW, the concern you expressed for their safety and well-being was dishonest. The truth is, you don't want them to be safe by learning english. That was just an excuse for you to rationalize the xenophobia
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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    You're late to the party. We've already discussed exemptions, and they are because of disabilities, and even those people have to pass some tests which are in English.
    No, there are other exclusions, such as age.


    Your posts are just full of fail
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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    No, the primary concern here is the failure of many Latino immigrants to assimilate into American society.
    No, that is a primary paranoid delusion. Latinos do assimilate

    That problem is only going to get worse as the native US population continues to decline in relation to the immigrant population.
    The US native population isn't, and will not, decline in relation to the immigrant population. Once again, you are conflating "white people" with "American" due to xenophobia

    If they do not speak our language, obey our laws, adopt the fundamental aspects of our culture, or value their American identity over the national identity they possessed before immigration, they are NOT "American." They are foreigners.

    It is as simple as that.
    And as untrue as your belief that "american" means "white people"
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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No, that is a primary paranoid delusion. Latinos do assimilate
    As evidenced by their failure to learn our language, assimilate to the customs of the culture around them, or embrace a primarily "American" national identity.

    Prove that many Latino immigrants do not fail to assimilate.

    The US native population isn't, and will not, decline in relation to the immigrant population.
    The statistics say that you are not only wrong, but stupidly wrong.

    Try again.

    Once again, you are conflating "white people" with "American" due to xenophobia
    No, I am conflating Americans with "Americans."

    The simple act of living somewhere does not make you a "native" of that area, or a member of its community.

    And as untrue as your belief that "american" means "white people"
    If you moved to France, refused to learn the language, refused to adopt the culture, and embraced no sense of patriotism whatsoever for the French nation or way of life, preferring to cling to the trappings of your old nation instead, would you consider yourself to be "French?"

    Even if you were foolish enough to do so, no one else would. They would view you as being an arrogant tourist, and be absolutely correct to do so.
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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    I think I read into it exactly what was meant; "we're all Americans, we simply speak different languages, and have different cultures."

    Again, that's fine. What I object to is the notion that this is a desirable thing in and of itself. Assimilation, and the unity it creates, should be the goal, not "multiculturalism," and the ethnic factionalism in which it always inevitably results.

    I don't think the ad itself was overly political. I was simply uncomfortable with its premise.
    Precisely. The idea is E Plurbus Unum, not E Plurbus, Plurbus.

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And as untrue as your belief that "american" means "white people"
    He defined American as:

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88
    speak our language, obey our laws, adopt the fundamental aspects of our culture, or value their American identity over the national identity they possessed before immigration
    Now, this is an interesting depiction of anothers' logic.

    Now, my small-group leadership couple at my old church spoke english, obeyed american laws, followed the major fundamental aspects of our culture (except that he was a Steelers fan, but I forgave him for that), etc; but were black. Given that both were born American citizens, what nation do you think he would say they were from? The other couple did all the same, but he was a first-generation immigrant from Mexico, and she was second-generation. He was earning citizenship through service in the military. I would say they were pretty much American, and so would Gathomas. Being American isn't about race, it's about values, culture, and participation. But you cannot form a community with people with whom you cannot communicate - and the encouragement of recent immigrant populations (unlike previous waves) to avoid learning English is crippling them, and harming them from being able to advance.

    You are just race-baiting because you are devoid of any intellectual argument.

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by alsos View Post
    Great… I’m headed to your house and will be there when you get home eating your food and using your utilities. Based on your statement you should feel perfectly comfortable with me coming into your home uninvited and against your will.
    Sure, I'm comfortable with that.
    I'm also comfortable shooting you in the head once I come home to find you as an intruder.

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    As evidenced by their failure to learn our language, assimilate to the customs of the culture around them, or embrace a primarily "American" national identity.

    Prove that many Latino immigrants do not fail to assimilate.
    They are learning english and assimilating.

    Prove that they aren't




    The statistics say that you are not only wrong, but stupidly wrong.

    Try again.
    You have no stats. All you showed was that you confuse "white people" with "Americans"




    No, I am conflating Americans with "Americans."
    Nope. American does not mean "white"

    The simple act of living somewhere does not make you a "native" of that area, or a member of its community.
    Latino does not mean "not born in the US"
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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    He defined American as:



    Now, this is an interesting depiction of anothers' logic.
    And your post is a not so interesting example of what happens when someone tries to jump in the middle of a discussion without understanding what has been said

    Gath clearly believes that "native born american" means "white people" because when he was challenged on his claim that the native born population of americans was decreasing, he posted a stat about the population of white people in the US

    Take a look:
    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    And where in our nation's history have native populations ever been in blatant decline while immigration surged?
    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Our native population is not in decline.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post

    If I asked you for stats about the native born population of the US, would you post stats about the # of white people in the US?
    Last edited by sangha; 02-06-14 at 05:19 PM.
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