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Thread: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    And I think you are overselling the need for English in the workplace. I haven't heard of any Nigerian cab drivers taking a fare to the wrong place, have heard many stories of English speaking NYC cab drivers taking first time tourists for a tour of NY before their hotel to pad the meter.

    The Chinese guy who only understands numbers is your WAITER, not the cook. Sort of spitting into your food as payback for a snotty attitude there is little to fear health code wise. The cook doesn't need to understand english for that matter- what matters is his supervisor can read the health code and convey the information.

    My take on you need english to advance is as your job skill set improves to be advance worthy, so too your mastery of our bastardized version of English will improve...
    The Chinese guy isn't the waiter. I particularly like American Chinese food; if you watch them cooking your food you will see that everyone who works for the restaurant cooks the food. Unless you were being very specific to PF Chang's or something like that, then maybe you have a point. but they don't use numbers. Numbers are associated with your poorer, better, gut busting Chinese food restaurants.

    I might add that because you haven't heard of a Nigerian cab drive taking a fare to the wrong place doesn't mean anything. We are talking about probability. Is it less or more likely that a person who doesn't speak English will err more than a person who does speak English in a majority English speaking country? It is more likely that the Nigerian will err more than an English speaker in NYC. It is ultimately a math problem. And I might add that, padding the fare may be bad but that isn't really a risks. It really is just an assumption of something that will happen to anyone who doesn't know NYC and doesn't know where to go themselves.

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    All immigrants who plan to live here have to pass a citizenship test except for a few exemptions. I'm not sure what you're referring to. Work visas?
    From my understanding, there is no test for a visa or permanent residency. And one can't apply for citizenship until a few years after residency is granted

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    It is a necessity, and I think anybody that doesn't learn English does so at their own peril. They should be free not to, however. Free to make a mind-bogglingly stupid decision.

    I really think people are reading waaaaaaaaay too much into this ad. The point of the ad was of course, to sell more Coca-Cola. Is anybody really offended that someone who speaks a different language buys Coke instead of Pepsi? (Unless you work for Pepsi) Immigrant communities tend to use their own language amongst themselves, why is that bad? They always did, the difference being that when all those Poles came over to Buffalo and Chicago, there wasn't TV to sell them stuff.
    I agree. Stupid decision, but people are free to make the choice. I don't mind the ad. This is all really free advertising for Coke.

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    And I think you are overselling the need for English in the workplace. I haven't heard of any Nigerian cab drivers taking a fare to the wrong place,
    I sure have heard more than a few stories of people getting into their cabs in NYC and telling the driver, "JFK" and being dropped off at Newark International Airport.

    And there's an immigrant cab driver in Orange County, Ca. who knows a short cut from Newport Beach to LAX via downtown L.A.

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    From my understanding, there is no test for a visa or permanent residency. And one can't apply for citizenship until a few years after residency is granted
    I don't know what you're talking about. As far as I was aware, you don't get residency unless you pass a citizenship/naturalization test. Link please?

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I don't know what you're talking about. As far as I was aware, you don't get residency unless you pass a citizenship/naturalization test. Link please?
    An immigrant must have a legal immigrant visa
    to be eligible for legal permanent residency and
    U.S. citizenship, but the visa is not enough. To
    acquire a “green card,”
    an immigrant must first
    apply to adjust his status to legal permanent
    resident. The Department of Homeland Security
    then verifies that there are no medical,
    financial, criminal or prior immigration violation
    grounds to deny the application, which costs
    $1,010. Most people need an attorney to help
    them navigate the complex process, incurring
    additional costs of seve
    ral thousand dollars.
    Most legal permanent residents are allowed to
    apply for citizenship after five years. To gain
    citizenship, they must demonstrate good moral
    character and a basic knowledge of English,
    U.S. history and government. The citizenship
    application costs $675.

    http://nysj.org/s/316/images/editor_...%20Process.pdf

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    According to the math, the non-Hispanic portion of the US population is in decline. End of discussion.
    The non-hispanic portion of the US population is not the topic. But it's very revealing that your concern is focused so intently on white people becoming a minority



    Again, the African American population is more or less stagnant. Virtually all population growth is being fueled by Latin immigrants.

    They are not "American" on either a cultural or ethnic basis, nor will they be until they assimilate. Assimilating into the greater US culture is precisely what they are failing to do at the present moment.
    They are culturally american and they do assimilate.

    My claims actually make logical sense, and are backed by credible sources. Yours are not.
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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    The problem with the legal immigrants, perhaps not entirely their fault, is that the American people were not asked to vote on whether or not Americans wanted immigration from Mexico and Asia in such huge numbers that virtually all aspects of the traditional American culture would be changed forever.

    This was such a fundamental change to the United States that the American people should have been asked to consent or not. Instead, the borders were opened wide and any Americans who objected were labeled racists, bigots, xenophobia and other vile names.

    It is unprecedented in history for a government to destroy its own culture in this manner. It would be strange if there were not enormous resentment.

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    An immigrant must have a legal immigrant visa
    to be eligible for legal permanent residency and
    U.S. citizenship, but the visa is not enough. To
    acquire a “green card,”
    an immigrant must first
    apply to adjust his status to legal permanent
    resident. The Department of Homeland Security
    then verifies that there are no medical,
    financial, criminal or prior immigration violation
    grounds to deny the application, which costs
    $1,010. Most people need an attorney to help
    them navigate the complex process, incurring
    additional costs of seve
    ral thousand dollars.
    Most legal permanent residents are allowed to
    apply for citizenship after five years. To gain
    citizenship, they must demonstrate good moral
    character and a basic knowledge of English,
    U.S. history and government. The citizenship
    application costs $675.

    http://nysj.org/s/316/images/editor_...%20Process.pdf
    Okay, well this really doesn't go against anything I've stated, since it clearly states that English is a requirement for citizenship, so what's your point?

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    The problem with the legal immigrants, perhaps not entirely their fault, is that the American people were not asked to vote on whether or not Americans wanted immigration from Mexico in such huge numbers that the traditional American culture would be changed forever.

    This was such a fundamental change to the United States that the American people should have been asked to consent or not. Instead, the borders were opened wide and any Americans who objected were called racists, bigots, xenophobia and other vile names.

    It is unprecedented in history for a government to destroy its own culture in this manner. It would be strange if there were not resentment.
    That's because it is xenophobia. Just because you think that's a bad word doesn't change it. What you're proposing is the same attitude that led to certain countries being limited in the past - back then "we" didn't want all sorts of papists coming in and putting the Pope ahead of the President. It was a popular opinion at various times, and there was even a political party dedicated to that - the "Know-Nothings."

    I know that we can't have people running around making accusations (though apparently doing it to Liberals is considered OK), but you basically said something xenophobic and then said it was a vile name. Well, that's like saying "I know everyone's gonna call me an anti-semite and other horrible things, but I hate jews."


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