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Thread: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Don't forget about those damn lettuce pickers. They're dangerous, you know.
    Actually the ability to communicate with civil and emergency workers is a value in itslef, and with both the cab driver and waiter, there would be clear safety issues involved with the lack on English skills. For example, a waiter's ability to understand questions from customers concerning allergies or special dietary requirements is the obvious.

    PS we can obviously have a realistic discussion about this that goes beyond :speaking english has no impact/ not speaking english will cause aids

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    That's the thing, though. This thread is as long and as heated (at times) as it is precisely because people perceived the message differently. Some perceived it as the company intended it to tbe perceived and others, well... not so much.
    Politics is perception, as someone once noted, and most of these debates surround perception, the biases contained therein, and never absolute reality. I'm beginning to believe there is no such thing as truth, only limitless confusion everywhere, and whoever can make some sort of generally acceptable and articulate sense out of it, wins. But that may have little or nothing to do with what the truth might be.

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Apparently, not speaking English means you're more violent and can't fly on planes.
    Link please.

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It's clear that unlike most every other country in the world, the US cannot protect its own borders, nor can they easily deport those who have entered the country illegally. But Hey! What about the slow traffic on that bridge in New Jersey!
    SO true!

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    You're still ignoring the fact that the dynamics of the US job market and it's native population has changed since the 1960's. For example, in 1960, the immigrant population was basically on par with the native population in number of collage degrees and number of high school dropouts. With the immigrant breakdown being 60% dropouts, compared to 50% Americans, with collage degree holders representing roughly an equal amount of both populations (10%).

    Fast forward to today, and that mix is much more disproportional, with the dropout rate now shifting to 7% of Americans, but almost 30% of immigrants. So to argue the employment situation is similar to what it was in the 60's, and that these people are offered the same opportunities and hardships as the past, when we have a much more specialized economy and a much less competitive population is clearly a pipe dream.

    The above pressures are also reflected in the research: <<<Economists often measure the rate of economic assimilation by calculating how the
    wage gap between natives and a specific wave of immigrants narrows over time (see
    Figure 1). Consider the group of immigrant men who arrived in the late 1960s at a
    relatively young age (they were 25-34 years old in 1970). These immigrants earned 13
    per cent less than comparably aged native workers at the time of entry. This wage gap
    had narrowed to about 3 percentage points by 1998, when both immigrants and natives
    were 53-62 years old. Overall, the process of economic assimilation reduced the initial
    wage disadvantage of these immigrants by 10 percentage points over a thirty-year
    period, and allowed them to almost ‘catch up’ with native earnings.

    However, the young immigrants who arrived after 1970 face a much bleaker future –
    simply because they start out with a much greater disadvantage. Consider those who
    arrived in the late 1970s. By the late 1990s, twenty years after arrival, those immigrants
    were still earning 12 per cent less than natives. The situation is even gloomier for those
    who arrived in the late 1980s. They started out with a 23 per cent wage disadvantage,
    but the wage gap actually grew, rather than narrowed, during the 1990s. If the historical
    experience is used to extrapolate into the future, these cohorts should be able to
    eventually narrow the gap by about 10 percentage points, so that these immigrants will
    earn much less than natives throughout their working lives.

    The Economic Integration of Immigrants in the United States: Lessons for Policy; Borjas
    Some really GREAT points here, but they will probably be ignored by those with their one-track minds shut unfortunately.

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Nice hyperbole. Also, PUTTING EVERYTHING IN CAPS DOESN'T MAKE YOUR POINT ANY STRONGER.

    Come on Chris. Don't act like you are worried about them being taken advantage of. The migrant workers know full well what they face when they come here to work, yet they still risk life and limb to come here and work. That tells me that things are so bad where they are, that they are willing to do whatever needs to be done to be here.
    The purpose of the caps is so that you won't just gloss over points, but I see you did that anyway. If things are bad in someone's country, they need to work to change that and not become criminals.

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Politics is perception, as someone once noted, and most of these debates surround perception, the biases contained therein, and never absolute reality. I'm beginning to believe there is no such thing as truth, only limitless confusion everywhere, and whoever can make some sort of generally acceptable and articulate sense out of it, wins. But that may have little or nothing to do with what the truth might be.
    The truth is painful for the politically correct. We cannot, as a country, concentrate on every individual's needs. We have to do what is best for the country as a whole. The idea that we can cater to every foreign person's needs is beyond ridiculous. This is not Candy Land. This is reality, and reality is harsh sometimes.

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Redskins fans (that don't want to change the name) getting bent about a lack of respect for traditional culture is too funny. Can't pay for this.
    Cool story bro...can you show me which Redskin "fans" are getting bent about a lack of respect for traditional culture?

    The only Redskin fan I've seen in the thread at least is myself, and I've said repeatedly that I don't see the commercial as something to get upset about and that I didn't particularly have any hatred or anger or offense to the commercial. So, unless having a rather "meh" reaction to something is "getting bent" to you, I'm unsure who you're speaking of.

    My other post in the thread...other than saying I didn't have any huge issue with the commercial and it didn't offend me, but I think it did a poor job at getting the most out of the message...was basically pointing out that it's ridiculous to compare the interactions between the settlers and Native Americans to that of legal immigrants into this country as the two are entirely different situations. One was, for lack of a better term, a invasion and conquering of land and explusion of a society while the other is an attempt to intigrate ones self directly into the society and live under it to some degree. Apparently feeling like a poor analogy is poor is being "bent" about a "lack of respect for traditional culture"...or something....?

    Yeah, unless there's magically some group of Redskins fans posting about this that you can point to your post was nothing but a non-sensical little pisser basically borne of nothing but your bitterness over an entirely seperate and entirely unrelated issue.

    Great point! A+! You sure showed me with that one liner

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    If things are bad in someone's country, they need to work to change that and not become criminals.
    Exactly. What is being done in Mexico to change the conditions where people won't have to 'risk life and limb' to escape. Shouldn't we be asking questions of the Mexicans themselves without blaming it on outside sources?

    Like many, I've been to Mexico several times and have met some wonderful people but in many cases their situations are next to hopeless. The change, iit seems to me, has to come from within and with pressure from outside agencies r governments. This can be done through NAFTA, for example, where workers rights are mentioned, or aid restrictions, or by putting pressure on the companies who have invested in Mexico. This historical pattern of the subjugation of the Mexican people (and other Latin American countries as well) should be challenged, and it should be done openly. Screw any government that feels it is 'paternalistic' or 'interfering'. Internal changes in Mexico must be made and it would be for everyone's benefit.

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    The point is - People getting offended because there's different languages in a 30 second ad for a soft drink is stupid. It's people looking for something to get offended about - like the Cheerios ad.
    Oh, that was your point? Wow, your picture did a ****ty job of making that point because it had nothing to do with the absurdity of people getting offended by a frivilous commercial. I agree, and have said as much, that the ad isn't really something to get mad over. Doesn't change the fact that comparing what occured between the settlers of this country and Native Americans is in no way related to what's going on in this country with immigration, unless one is suggesting that immigrants to this country are an invasionary force looking to expell the present society.

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