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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    The coke add did not bother me.
    For the USA to continue to do well, we need immigrants.
    We cannot sustain ourselves without them.
    The best we can hope for, is that they only bring the better
    portions of their cultures with them.
    It's clear that unlike most every other country in the world, the US cannot protect its own borders, nor can they easily deport those who have entered the country illegally. But Hey! What about the slow traffic on that bridge in New Jersey!

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    The idea that one must always speak English, or even speak English at all, to be an American represents a fundamental misunderstanding of what liberty means. To be an American only requires that you believe that you have the freedom to live your life how you wish to and to respect the right of others to do the same.

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It's clear that unlike most every other country in the world, the US cannot protect its own borders, nor can they easily deport those who have entered the country illegally. But Hey! What about the slow traffic on that bridge in New Jersey!
    Look on the bright side, other countries have to encourage immigration,
    They come to the US for free!

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    They live in poverty for a first generation? That's not going to change because they speak English. That's going to change once their degrees are recognized, their cultures receive equal treatment as Euro-trash degrees or they are able to integrate society without us putting the boundary of tens of thousands of dollars. As those things don't change, English speaking African engineers who immigrate will still be driving cabs, Caribbean doctors will still be busing tables and Greek kids will be working at their mom & pop restaurants.
    You're still ignoring the fact that the dynamics of the US job market and it's native population has changed since the 1960's. For example, in 1960, the immigrant population was basically on par with the native population in number of collage degrees and number of high school dropouts. With the immigrant breakdown being 60% dropouts, compared to 50% Americans, with collage degree holders representing roughly an equal amount of both populations (10%).

    Fast forward to today, and that mix is much more disproportional, with the dropout rate now shifting to 7% of Americans, but almost 30% of immigrants. So to argue the employment situation is similar to what it was in the 60's, and that these people are offered the same opportunities and hardships as the past, when we have a much more specialized economy and a much less competitive population is clearly a pipe dream.

    The above pressures are also reflected in the research: <<<Economists often measure the rate of economic assimilation by calculating how the
    wage gap between natives and a specific wave of immigrants narrows over time (see
    Figure 1). Consider the group of immigrant men who arrived in the late 1960s at a
    relatively young age (they were 25-34 years old in 1970). These immigrants earned 13
    per cent less than comparably aged native workers at the time of entry. This wage gap
    had narrowed to about 3 percentage points by 1998, when both immigrants and natives
    were 53-62 years old. Overall, the process of economic assimilation reduced the initial
    wage disadvantage of these immigrants by 10 percentage points over a thirty-year
    period, and allowed them to almost ‘catch up’ with native earnings.

    However, the young immigrants who arrived after 1970 face a much bleaker future –
    simply because they start out with a much greater disadvantage. Consider those who
    arrived in the late 1970s. By the late 1990s, twenty years after arrival, those immigrants
    were still earning 12 per cent less than natives. The situation is even gloomier for those
    who arrived in the late 1980s. They started out with a 23 per cent wage disadvantage,
    but the wage gap actually grew, rather than narrowed, during the 1990s. If the historical
    experience is used to extrapolate into the future, these cohorts should be able to
    eventually narrow the gap by about 10 percentage points, so that these immigrants will
    earn much less than natives throughout their working lives.

    The Economic Integration of Immigrants in the United States: Lessons for Policy; Borjas
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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    The idea that one must always speak English, or even speak English at all, to be an American represents a fundamental misunderstanding of what liberty means. To be an American only requires that you believe that you have the freedom to live your life how you wish to and to respect the right of others to do the same.
    Absolutely. But without English you'll most likely be trapped in that independent life you've chosen, as will your children. Speaking English is an obvious asset for anyone who wants to advance their life, as is Spanish in many parts of the world. English is essential, Spanish is a bonus.

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Do you not understand what a false dichotomy is? I stated the premise of your post was false so there is nothing to address. It asserts that people are "hurt" (whatever that means) when they don't speak English. It's about as nonsensical as saying that not speaking Arabic will hurt your chances of getting a job in the Middle East. It's spoken by somebody with a limited world view. Again Chris, how many languages do you speak and do you have any experience working outside of the US?
    dude, speaking english has a direct impact on both employment and social opportunities. To argue the lack of basic English skills do not impact someone's earning potentials in an English speaking country is totally absurd, and the reason your ME analogy doesn't hold up is due to the fact that English is an amazingly widely adopted language and used heavily for commercial trade. So while only speaking english would still restrict you, it wouldn't restrict you in the same way, or have as large of an impact

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Absolutely. But without English you'll most likely be trapped in that independent life you've chosen, as will your children. Speaking English is an obvious asset for anyone who wants to advance their life, as is Spanish in many parts of the world. English is essential, Spanish is a bonus.
    Absolutely, English should be taught in school and to immigrants for all the obvious practical reasons

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Lol, OSHA investigation. *smh* - You posted "information" on a study that shows that there as more immigrants come the US, there will be larger numbers of poor people not that not speaking English makes them poorer. Yes Chris, that's how it works. Immigrants come here? Their degrees are not accepted, they find jobs in other fields whether they like it or not. If they have the ability, they work through school maybe. If they have kids and other things to pay for they don't and end up like the overwhelming majority of immigrants.
    From the study I cited earlier: <<<The acquisition of English language skills plays a crucial role in economic assimilation
    simply because it opens up many more job opportunities. In other words, immigrants
    earn substantially more if they understand and speak English. For example, Hispanic
    immigrants who speak English earn 17 per cent more than those who do not, even after
    adjusting for differences in education and other socioeconomic characteristics between
    the two groups. And as much as half of the wage narrowing that occurs between
    immigrants and natives in the first twenty years after arrival can be attributed to the
    gains from learning the English language.>>>

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Again, while I think people are overreacting to the video, who performed it is something rather different than the content and perceived message.
    That's the thing, though. This thread is as long and as heated (at times) as it is precisely because people perceived the message differently. Some perceived it as the company intended it to tbe perceived and others, well... not so much.
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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Again, while I think people are overreacting to the video, who performed it is something rather different than the content and perceived message.
    What's this "percieved message" though, other than "please choose Coke when you're thirsty?"


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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