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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Coke's gay ad will be attached to a lousy football game. That's what people will remember.
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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Cuando quieras hablamos en cualquiera de los dos por Skype.



    Joko, there are no other languages remember? There is only English multilingualism. C'est dommage que tu sois si con que ça.
    I'm not on Skype.

    That is not what I wrote about multilingualism but it apparently too complex a concept for you. Stormfront could at least give you a rational response in relation to my message from your perspectives.

    You may want people of Latino ancestry to wear sombreros insure everyone knows they are Latino, but the bigotry you want to exist is dying away. Your team demanding separate but equal isolating people by ethnicity isn't going to happen. Your side lost and it rapidly becoming a bad history people want to forget. Time and again you've made your personal contempt of Latinos well known.

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    There's an issue with making it official. There's Puerto Rico, and people who's families have been in New Mexico since it was part of "Old" Mexico. I don't think it's necessary for the government to legislate what language people speak.

    Yep, it does. What else sucks? The amazingly intellectually dishonest arguments people continually use trying to reference native americans and comparing that to immigrants today.

    The settlers of the Americas did not come over here and attempt to "join" the Native Tribes. By and large, they were not seeking to try and become part of the Navajo or the Cherokee or the Mohawk. They came over, tried to claim plots of land as their own, and tried to start their own society and community separate from what was established, without seeking to be a part of what was here before.

    That is SIGNIFICANTLY different than individuals coming into the American society, gaining citizenship under the American government, gaining benefits from the American system, etc.

    A better equivalent would be a group of foreigners coming into the United States border, proclaiming a plot of American land “theirs”, and trying to create their own little society on it. A situation like THAT, the native American memes would make sense to….an “invading” group claims land that the original inhabitants also claimed. Of course, they’d likely be repelled by the United States government for doing so.

    This is similar to the idiotic notion I saw earlier in the thread suggesting various native American languages were the “original” language. No, not it wasn’t. They were perhaps the original languages of the various locations around North America…but the original predominant language of “The United States of America” WAS English. It’s not inaccurate to suggest that, but it is inaccurate to portray various native tongues as what was “originally” the language here…because when speaking of a culture and a society the notion of a “land mass” isn’t the dividing line.

    All the constant attempts to insert Native Americans into the conversation are is an attempt to appeal to emotion by bringing up a group of people that admittedly got a raw deal often in our countries history, and whose land we basically took by force (granted, this is the way much of the “official” land the world over has been claimed in some fashion or another).

    There was no significant attempt by the settlers to “immigrate” into the tribes of the Americas. Rather, to be quite honest, it was an invasion and conquering of the land to form a new society within the boundries of the Americas. NOW…if you want to try and claim that immigrants coming into this country are trying to invade us, then perhaps the comparison is reasonable. But otherwise it’s not a good analog in the least.

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    But that's not why these proposals have been rejected in the past. It was always some sort of constitutional issue, especially in regards to lex solis and the official national language.
    I did a very limited search so far, and I really can't find any information that isn't biased one way or another. Either they are calling the people who want English as the official language bigots and racists, or the other side is calling those who are against it traitors and such. It's obviously a very emotional issue for a lot of people. I did find this interesting article though, and I completely agree with it.

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Democrats want Latinos to remain a separate and downtrodden voting faction - so have adopted the logic that slave owners used when outlawing slaves being taught how to read and write. For a political agenda the DNC - and accordingly their minions - have run to the radical ultra right on this topic.

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Yep, it does. What else sucks? The amazingly intellectually dishonest arguments people continually use trying to reference native americans and comparing that to immigrants today.

    The settlers of the Americas did not come over here and attempt to "join" the Native Tribes. By and large, they were not seeking to try and become part of the Navajo or the Cherokee or the Mohawk. They came over, tried to claim plots of land as their own, and tried to start their own society and community separate from what was established, without seeking to be a part of what was here before.

    That is SIGNIFICANTLY different than individuals coming into the American society, gaining citizenship under the American government, gaining benefits from the American system, etc.

    A better equivalent would be a group of foreigners coming into the United States border, proclaiming a plot of American land “theirs”, and trying to create their own little society on it. A situation like THAT, the native American memes would make sense to….an “invading” group claims land that the original inhabitants also claimed. Of course, they’d likely be repelled by the United States government for doing so.

    This is similar to the idiotic notion I saw earlier in the thread suggesting various native American languages were the “original” language. No, not it wasn’t. They were perhaps the original languages of the various locations around North America…but the original predominant language of “The United States of America” WAS English. It’s not inaccurate to suggest that, but it is inaccurate to portray various native tongues as what was “originally” the language here…because when speaking of a culture and a society the notion of a “land mass” isn’t the dividing line.

    All the constant attempts to insert Native Americans into the conversation are is an attempt to appeal to emotion by bringing up a group of people that admittedly got a raw deal often in our countries history, and whose land we basically took by force (granted, this is the way much of the “official” land the world over has been claimed in some fashion or another).

    There was no significant attempt by the settlers to “immigrate” into the tribes of the Americas. Rather, to be quite honest, it was an invasion and conquering of the land to form a new society within the boundries of the Americas. NOW…if you want to try and claim that immigrants coming into this country are trying to invade us, then perhaps the comparison is reasonable. But otherwise it’s not a good analog in the least.

    The point is - People getting offended because there's different languages in a 30 second ad for a soft drink is stupid. It's people looking for something to get offended about - like the Cheerios ad.


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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Redskins fans (that don't want to change the name) getting bent about a lack of respect for traditional culture is too funny. Can't pay for this.

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Because they can't speak English, their job opportunities are SEVERELY limited, and YES it can most certainly be dangerous work, not to mention these immigrants who are ignorant of English are taken advantage of, so the only thing you are doing by persisting with this ridiculous angle is putting people in difficult economic and social positions. Your ideology does NOTHING to help immigrants and EVERYTHING to hurt them.
    Nice hyperbole. Also, PUTTING EVERYTHING IN CAPS DOESN'T MAKE YOUR POINT ANY STRONGER.

    Come on Chris. Don't act like you are worried about them being taken advantage of. The migrant workers know full well what they face when they come here to work, yet they still risk life and limb to come here and work. That tells me that things are so bad where they are, that they are willing to do whatever needs to be done to be here.
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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I'm not on Skype.

    That is not what I wrote about multilingualism but it apparently too complex a concept for you. Stormfront could at least give you a rational response in relation to my message from your perspectives.

    You may want people of Latino ancestry to wear sombreros insure everyone knows they are Latino, but the bigotry you want to exist is dying away. Your team demanding separate but equal isolating people by ethnicity isn't going to happen. Your side lost and it rapidly becoming a bad history people want to forget. Time and again you've made your personal contempt of Latinos well known.
    Lol @ sombreros - what nonsense. Yoko, whenever you want in whatever mode you'd like, I'd be more than willing to record a conversation in all 3 languages I speak. You can speak in Arawak or whatever it is you speak. Crying "racism" because I don't measure people by whether or not they speak English is racist? That's sillier than claiming that if you speak English, you speak multiple languages. Remember when you did that?
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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    “America The Beautiful” was sung by bilingual American young women.

    Well, there you go. Case closed. American and bilingual. Does anyone have a problem with this?

    Again, while I think people are overreacting to the video, who performed it is something rather different than the content and perceived message.

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