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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    SO let me see if I understand what you're saying

    If you speak multiple languages that are not english, you're monolingual

    But if you speak one language that is english, you're mutilingual.


    How did I do?

    You did just fine.

    If I grow up with people speaking 3 languages, that is just 1 language to me. I grew up around English, Spanish and a Native American language. Those are all just 1 language to me.

    Therefore, according to Hatuey I am probably smarter than most people on this forum.

    Studies such as he presents are pointless because language isn't a singularity. Bilingual people are bilingual because they grow up around more than 1 language - not because they learned another language. In those settings, those 2 languages are effectively 1 language because essentially all people use both.

    Their "proof" of being smarter doesn't really prove anything either. People around conflicts are likely to more develop better skills at dealing with conflicts. That doesn't mean they are smarter.

    My point is rather simple. Obvious really. Would it be superior if you and I were unable to communicate with each other? Would that be "better?" Would we then both be smarter? Could we better live together in the same house? That is what he and some others are effectively claiming. The more people in a culture who can not communicate with each other the better.

    And that is absurd.

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Lol wut.....
    I say we all thank Joko, he has brought unexpected laughter to this very serious conversation of people who want to be ignorant vs. those who think that people should speak whatever language they want without some guy in Idaho complaining.
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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    You did just fine.

    If I grow up with people speaking 3 languages, that is just 1 language to me. I grew up around English, Spanish and a Native American language. Those are all just 1 language to me.

    Therefore, according to Hatuey I am probably smarter than most people on this forum.

    Studies such as he presents are pointless because language isn't a singularity. Bilingual people are bilingual because they grow up around more than 1 language - not because they learned another language. In those settings, those 2 languages are effectively 1 language because essentially all people use both.

    Their "proof" of being smarter doesn't really prove anything either. People around conflicts are likely to more develop better skills at dealing with conflicts. That doesn't mean they are smarter.

    My point is rather simple. Obvious really. Would it be superior if you and I were unable to communicate with each other? Would that be "better?" Would we then both be smarter? Could we better live together in the same house? That is what he and some others are effectively claiming. The more people in a culture who can not communicate with each other the better.

    And that is absurd.
    False alarm, he's serious.
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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I say we all thank Joko, he has brought unexpected laughter to this very serious conversation of people who want to be ignorant vs. those who think that people should speak whatever language they want without some guy in Idaho complaining.
    Thanks for the lulz, Joko. This thread needed a little levity.
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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Lol. That is all. I refuse to believe you're a real person and not a troll.
    What I posted is obvious. If a person grows up where people use two languages that is one language to that person. Only blind desperate loyalty to slogans would prevent anyone from not understanding that.

    English is a composite of many different languages. However, to me it is one language. In your analysis because English is many different languages then everyone who speaks English is multilingual.

    That you want people to be isolated in ethnic groups by their language isolation is rank bigotry in my opinion. Your pretending to rage over ethnic divisions doesn't work unless those divisions are preserved.

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Thanks for the lulz, Joko. This thread needed a little levity.
    You can laugh at your simplistic slogans all you wish. Maybe the reason you don't understand is since I know multiple languages I am just too smart for you both to be able to understand. I'll try to make it simpler for you.

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    What I posted is obvious.
    Obviously hilarious
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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Yea... "Common sense" really isn't high on too many Liberals' priority lists, apparently.
    Or some anyway.

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The problem with this is that the barriers are not ever along "What can they do?" lines and more "What are they like?" lines. Muslim countries have some of the best and brightest engineers in the world. What do they do when they get to America? Drive cabs. Africa also has a lot of engineers. What do they do in NYC? Work as waiters. The boundaries which have been set historically are not along the lines of work but along the lines of culture (to put in broad terms). Latin America has some great doctors. When they get to the US? They have to settle for being waiters/cleaning floors because our education system is unaffordable to most new immigrants. Europe? Well, they have a lot of kids with liberal art degrees and are useless for the most part. Yet we pose little no barriers to how they travel into the US. Europe does the same with most immigrants. If you're from a poor country you couldn't possibly be as well educated as somebody in Europe apparently. So they make the system unaffordable, they make the process tedious and unattractive to most people and then they say "These immigrants! They can't succeed! They don't want to assimilate"
    That's more to do with our regional quotas and the small number of European immigrants legally entering the country every year, compared to the vastly larger numbers arriving from India, China, and Latin America, in general.

    In fact, Europe, in total, only accounts for about 10% of immigration into the US, while Mexicans represent over a third of our immigration population in it's entirety. And represent a larger number alone than the immigrant population of any other country.


    It's interesting though. 150 years ago Italians, Irish, Chinese and Scottish immigrants were isolated. They couldn't work in their fields and had to look for menial labor. "Irish need not apply" was actually pretty popular for job advertisements. Today? Their descendents are arguing that the same tactics employed against their ancestors are valid when used against other immigrants.
    yeah and we had a traditional system of slavery in this country at one point, but appealing to tradition and ignoring the social-economic realities of the present isn't a very meaningful argument against a selective immigration process.

    The reality is that every immigration wave in American history goes through an assimilation process. The first generation is always labelled as isolationist. They do not want to be part of America. Let's face it, with 150 year old immigration policies, I wouldn't either. I'd do as every group of immigrants has done. I'd go back to what I know, my community and let my kids be my passport into American society.
    You're equivocating without really showing how they are similar and ignoring the complaints here have rested on necessary skills and a willingness to try and adopt the English language

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    re: Your opinion on Coke's version of America The Beautiful? [W:1014]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Obviously hilarious
    The level of which people become the most simpleton sheep when they go into the partisan slogans crap is amazing.

    This is "ENGLISH"



    You and others are taking a kindergarten view of language and communication is the most simplistic loyalty to what? Like Hatuey you need Latinos to be a separated from others so you can declare you are fighting against their oppression, while often making your hatred of Latinos known in other ways?

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