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Woody Allen - Pedophile?

Woody Allen

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ChrisL said:
I never stated there was any conclusive evidence either way. There usually isn't in these situations. No, in my link, it is specifically stated that Allen was seeing a psychiatrist for inappropriate behavior with Dylan before the revelation of his affair with the other child.
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If there's no conclusive evidence either way, how come you are so adamant that he's a paedophile? The only possible incident that he has been accused of that even suggests an interest in pre-pubescent girls is the Dylan incident - the very one you have admitted there's no overwhelming proof happened. What's your overwhelming evidence of his paedophile nature?
 
Pardon my disbelief, but how would ANYBODY know what Woody was discussing with his therapist?
 
ChrisL said:
Unless she is mentally deficient or disabled, no I believe that once she is an adult, she is able to think for herself and memories from age 7 at her age would be fairly easy to recall. I'm sorry, but if someone tells me they were molested, my first instinct is to believe that person and not to assume he or she is lying, especially when there is really no valid MO for this girl to do so. She states in her own words that she has very CLEAR memories of the molestation.
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Unless....

False memory syndrome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
NoC_T said:
But it's not different. I could accuse you of child molestation, but until I could prove it, you'd be innocent. Without enough evidence to convict, there'd be no case against you. Only speculation and unfounded accusations. These aren't sufficient to secure a conviction. We could all randomly accuse each other of this, that or the other. It doesn't mean ****. All these tangential arguments are so much window dressing to try and get around the concept of being innocent until proven guilty. Good luck having the legal system overhauled, but I think you're **** out of luck.
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They are different, otherwise there would never be any convictions for molestation, or rarely. You have to make certain allowances when there is likely to be no physical evidence.
 
From Sykes link:

Dylan's Response
Dylan insists that she is telling the truth.

"This is such a betrayal to me and my whole family," she tells PEOPLE in response to her brother's comments. "My memories are the truth and they are mine and I will live with that for the rest of my life."

"My mother never coached me," Dylan says. "She never planted false memories in my brain. My memories are mine. I remember them. She was distraught when I told her. When I came forward with my story she was hoping against hope that I had made it up. In one of the most heartbreaking conversations I have ever had, she sat me down and asked me if I was telling the truth. She said that Dad said he didn’t do anything. and I said, 'He's lying.' "
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ChrisL said:
They are different, otherwise there would never be any convictions for molestation, or rarely. You have to make certain allowances when there is likely to be no physical evidence.
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Yet we have quotations from legal representatives who reject the possibility of even reasonable doubt.

You're flogging a dead horse here, Chris. I think you want him to be guilty.
 
NoC_T said:
Yet we have quotations from legal representatives who reject the possibility of even reasonable doubt.

You're flogging a dead horse here, Chris. I think you want him to be guilty.
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Not true. I just showed you many, many links which state the evidence is inconclusive. Like I tried to reiterate with you before, these are my opinions. I am entitled to them, and you are entitled to think he is innocent.
 
The girl says it happened. Her story has been consistent for 20 years, no changes. Woody Allen married his step-daughter (even though he and Mia were not married, it was still a family situation). He had known Soon-Yi since she was 10 years old. There are pictures of the two of them together in public as well. Yes, he KNEW Soon-Yi when she was a child.
 
ChrisL said:
Not true. I just showed you many, many links which state the evidence is inconclusive. Like I tried to reiterate with you before, these are my opinions. I am entitled to them, and you are entitled to think he is innocent.
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The legal system doesn't consider that there's sufficient evidence to convict, ergo he's innocent. That's how it works. That's good enough for me. You don't have to like it. If you have any compelling evidence to the contrary, you should contact law enforcement immediately.
 
NoC_T said:
The legal system doesn't consider that there's sufficient evidence to convict, ergo he's innocent. That's how it works. That's good enough for me. You don't have to like it. If you have any compelling evidence to the contrary, you should contact law enforcement immediately.
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Lol! Sorry, but you don't lay down the rules for me and how I think and feel. I don't think he's innocent. I believe the girl's story.

Oh, and inconclusive evidence does NOT equal innocence.
 
ChrisL said:
Yes, but that is a RARE occurrence. EXTREMELY rare. An adult person would be thoroughly aware, and this girl has not changed her story since she was 7 years old.
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I know. I just can't in good conscience assume that she's telling the truth, knowing how so very ugly things got when Mia and Woody split up. Accusations of pedophilia are the absolute worst thing you can throw at someone. It can and has completely destroyed the lives of innocent men in the past. It is very hard to remove that stigma once it's stuck to you. I know she believes it happened and maybe it did. We'll probably never know.
 
ChrisL said:
Yes, but that is a RARE occurrence. EXTREMELY rare. An adult person would be thoroughly aware, and this girl has not changed her story since she was 7 years old.
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It is not that unusual for parents to use abuse allegations against each other during bitter divorces, it is a way to gain an advantage during alimony/child support negotiations. AFAIK, Farrow did not seek alimony/child support, but she is clearly very bitter, perhaps for good reason.
 
sangha said:
But Ted Nugent is a great guy!!
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:lamo

I nominate your post for the DP most hilariously desperately feeble attempt to derail a thread award.
 
Arcana XV said:
I know. I just can't in good conscience assume that she's telling the truth, knowing how so very ugly things got when Mia and Woody split up. Accusations of pedophilia are the absolute worst thing you can throw at someone. It can and has completely destroyed the lives of innocent men in the past. It is very hard to remove that stigma once it's stuck to you. I know she believes it happened and maybe it did. We'll probably never know.
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I agree about the mother. She is obviously not a very stable person either, but I still, in my heart of hearts, believe the girl. Her story has been consistent for 20 years, and an expert stated that she displayed behaviors of an abused child. From everything I know about child sex abuse, she sure seems to be speaking from the heart too, and it seems to me that she is extremely upset about the whole situation of not being believed and not taken seriously.
 
Hard Truth said:
It is not that unusual for parents to use abuse allegations against each other during bitter divorces, it is a way to gain an advantage during alimony/child support negotiations. AFAIK, Farrow did not seek alimony/child support, but she is clearly very bitter, perhaps for good reason.
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It is unusual actually.
 
ChrisL said:
The girl says it happened. Her story has been consistent for 20 years, no changes. Woody Allen married his step-daughter (even though he and Mia were not married, it was still a family situation). He had known Soon-Yi since she was 10 years old. There are pictures of the two of them together in public as well. Yes, he KNEW Soon-Yi when she was a child.
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He may have known her, but he never really paid any attention to her at all. In fact, it was Mia herself who insisted he spend more time with Soon Yii because he had practically never interacted with the girl. That's when the girl was about 18. He started taking her to basket ball games and the rest is history. The betrayal by both her boyfriend and her daughter, when all she wanted was for them to finally establish a father/daughter type relationship, was massive. It's no wonder she went completely unhinged when she found out. It doesn't excuse false accusations, though, if they are indeed false.
 
Arcana XV said:
He may have known her, but he never really paid any attention to her at all. In fact, it was Mia herself who insisted he spend more time with Soon Yii because he had practically never interacted with the girl. That's when the girl was about 18. He started taking her to basket ball games and the rest is history. The betrayal by both her boyfriend and her daughter, when all she wanted was for them to finally establish a father/daughter type relationship, was massive. It's no wonder she went completely unhinged when she found out. It doesn't excuse false accusations, though, if they are indeed false.
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Well, I saw a picture posted here of Soon-Yi sitting on Woody Allen's lap, and he had his arms around her.
 
ChrisL said:
Lol! Sorry, but you don't lay down the rules for me and how I think and feel. I don't think he's innocent. I believe the girl's story.
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Don't play that game with me. I've not attempted to constrain you. How might I achieve that, even were it my intention?

Oh, and inconclusive evidence does NOT equal innocence.
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Were it conclusive, he'd be in prison. The US legal system and I agree to disagree. :lol:
 
ChrisL said:
Well, I saw a picture posted here of Soon-Yi sitting on Woody Allen's lap, and he had his arms around her.
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Allen was never interested in Mia's children, especially not SoonYii. Mia herself talks about it in her book and in articles published, I believe, in Vanity Fair. The only ones he showed some interest in were the ones he adopted with her, Dylan and Moses and, of course, the one he still sees as his biological son, Ronan.
 
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Here's a more recent picture. I think these two must be his daughters from Soon-Yi. The girls look a bit uncomfortable to say the least.

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This is the picture I was talking about. Sorry, my mistake, this is HIS daughter.

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Arcana XV said:
Allen was never interested in Mia's children, especially not SoonYii. Mia herself talks about it in her book and in articles published, I believe, in Vanity Fair. The only ones he showed some interest in were the ones he adopted with her, Dylan and Moses and, of course, the one he still sees as his biological son, Ronan.
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Hmmm. No one finds it odd that the ONE child he was not interested in at all is the one he married? Lol! So she just comes home from college, and he suddenly finds her interesting, takes some pornographic pictures of her while still "being" with her adopted mother, has an affair with her and then marries her. This does not add up.
 
NoC_T said:
Don't play that game with me. I've not attempted to constrain you. How might I achieve that, even were it my intention?


Were it conclusive, he'd be in prison. The US legal system and I agree to disagree. :lol:
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It still does not equal innocence. Not enough evidence is not an indication of innocence.
 
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